Fourth Taiwan Strait Crisis

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Blitzo

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I'm pretty confident that the (1) and (2) are labels, not indicators of vessel quantity. 2 in total.

Considering Henri wrote "two 055 destroyers were sighted on the east coast of the island," yeah, that is almost certainly the case, even when relying on machine translation of French (which is actually fairly accurate by all accounts).
 

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Live by Reuters: Nancy Pelosi departs Taiwan.
So what was the honest point of her visit if she is just going to go in and go out without some kind of a grand independence speech. And with the carrier they had fu$king off like a pansy. To be honest, I can’t see this as a loss for China, this cannot be seen in the same like as the time that the USA sailed their carrier to China to dare China to do something. This is like some ninja coming in and then running off then the guards came back from break. She really isn’t worth shooting down to be honest, all she seems to have done is simply a photo op that has been canceled in a hurry
 

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What is an exercise going to do? The US called China's bluff and the only response is a military exercise AFTER Pelosi leaves.

After hyping up this event for the entire week, nothing happened and now they are censoring this event hardcore in the country. Is this a miscommunication between the propaganda arm and the rest of the government? Who knows.
The exercises around Taiwan normalize this level of military presence, just like frequent flyovers into Taiwan airspace normalized those flyovers to the point that Taiwan didn't bother scrambling its' jets anymore.

PR flop is just that, a PR flop. Domestic audience is managed via censorship and non-stop messaging shifting the narrative, whilst any overseas impact disappears after 3 days anyway. The permanent change is the normalization of increased military presence.

On the US side, this visit did not allay any one of their internal problems, so the more time passes, the more I see this as a worthwhile trade - US gains a rapidly dissipating gas, while China takes another small step forward.

To be honest, there's far less Western media coverage of this than I expected, so it looks like their trigger point for a mass media campaign (China fires first shot) didn't come to pass.

The longer China can kick the can down the road without a war, the better for China and the less advantageous for the US, and thankfully cool heads prevailed last night.
 
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NAYPYIDAW, August 3. /TASS/. Speaker of the US House of Representatives Nancy Pelosi’s visit to Taiwan has been caused by Washington’s desire to prove its impunity and lawlessness, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said at a press conference following talks with Myanmar’s Foreign Minister Wunna Maung Lwin on Wednesday.

"I cannot tell what was their (the Americans’ - TASS) motivation but there are no doubts that it reflects the very same policy we are talking about with regards to the Ukrainian situation," the Russian top diplomat noted. "This is a desire to prove to absolutely everyone [their] impunity and display their lawlessness. ‘I do whatever I want’ - it’s about like this," he explained.

The Russian top diplomat stressed that he did not see any other "reason to create such an irritant literally out of nowhere, fully aware what it means for the People’s Republic of China."

On Tuesday, the Russian Foreign Ministry’s statement noted that the Russian side considered this "visit a clear provocation in keeping with the US’s aggressive policy of comprehensive containment of the PRC." Sergey Lavrov also urged Washington "to refrain from actions, that undermine regional stability and international security, and to recognise the new geopolitical reality, which has no place for US hegemony."
 

Minm

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What is an exercise going to do? The US called China's bluff and the only response is a military exercise AFTER Pelosi leaves.

After hyping up this event for the entire week, nothing happened and now they are censoring this event hardcore in the country. Is this a miscommunication between the propaganda arm and the rest of the government? Who knows.
These exercises, if they are completed without being challenged by the US, are a huge victory for China. If you're too blind to see that, that's on you.

Pelosi promised to stand with Taiwan. They didn't expect to actually have to do that. If they don't stand with Taiwan tomorrow by breaking the blockade exercises, the American security guarantee will have been exposed as a lie. Countries like the Philippines and south Korea will have watched the US promise to defend an ally and then fail to live up to that promise the very next day
 

Bob Smith

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So what was the honest point of her visit if she is just going to go in and go out without some kind of a grand independence speech. And with the carrier they had fu$king off like a pansy. To be honest, I can’t see this as a loss for China, this cannot be seen in the same like as the time that the USA sailed their carrier to China to dare China to do something. This is like some ninja coming in and then running off then the guards came back from break. She really isn’t worth shooting down to be honest, all she seems to have done is simply a photo op that has been canceled in a hurry
She's near the end of her political career and has always been pretty anti-CPC. She's the first female speaker and Tsai is the first female Taiwan president so there is some symbolism. She's doing this most likely to cement her legacy as a defender of freedom and democracy willing to die by the PLAAF to support the Taiwanese people. She's going to include a chapter about this experience in her memoirs.
 

tygyg1111

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The exercises around Taiwan normalize this level of military presence, just like frequent flyovers into Taiwan airspace normalized those flyovers until Taiwan didn't bother scrambling jets anymore.

PR flop is just that, a PR flop. Domestic audience is managed via censorship and non-stop messaging shifting the narrative, whilst any overseas impact disappears after 3 days anyway. The permanent change is the normalization of increased military presence.

On the US side, this visit did not allay any one of their internal problems, so the more time passes, the more I see this as a worthwhile trade - US gains a rapidly dissipating gas, while China takes another small step forward.

To be honest, there's far less Western media coverage of this than I expected, so it looks like their trigger point for a mass media campaign (China fires first shot) didn't come to pass.

The longer China can kick the can down the road without a war, the better for China and the less advantageous for the US, and thankfully cool heads prevailed last night.
Also, I just want to say, and this includes to myself - last night SDF turned into the closest we've been to a Jai Hind forum, which isn't something to be proud of.

In future, aside from reporting facts or plain straight news, we should take a moment before responding emotionally to something that doesn't fulfill our expectations, especially if those expectations could have triggered a war.
 
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