Effectiveness of China's Air Defence?

bladerunner

bladerunner

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airsuperiority said:
Are you Nostradamus? How do you predict that if there's a war, the US public will REVERT BACK IN HISTORY like the old ways? Do you realize how many years, generations, and difference there's been since ww2 in terms of era and technology? and do you know what is war of attrition? wow even a grade 1 can give you these response. it's freakin' common sense!!! i dont think you should tell us anymore of this stuff, because apparently you dont even know common sense yet.
and oh yea, US is in 2 wars right now. do we see the american public working hard in the exact fashion you've said? and if it goes so well, there won't be those AIG scandals and all. the truth is, it's complicated, and the american capitalist system is flawed. the very fact that the US have to outsource jobs and invest overseas and all that shows the limits of america's ways
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Oh boy weve really moved away from miltary matters, but Im lovin it anyway.However Im not sure if the Chinese economy was "picture perfect" when comparing it to that of the U.S. despite its current success.It would be interesting to see how it copes if it was hit with a series of catastrophies.
I wonder if its possible to scrub everything and start again, bit like playing "Monopoly" if the other players didn,t agree, get up and accidentally tip the board over.
 
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bd popeye

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This thread is way off topic. It's into economics. China Vs the USA. Name calling of a certain member. Country bashing.. With some far fetch notions. Since I'm such a nice guy I'm going to close this thread for 24 hours or so to allow you fellows to re-think what this thread is about. Which is the Effectiveness of China's Air Defense.

Thread closed for at least 24 hours.

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IronsightSniper said:
Can you not red? I said throw money, invest wisely...

Current capabilities are irrelevant as we are talking about the future. China cannot survive without the west, and without quoting again, you need money to maintain infrastructure, money China will run out of without the West.
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I have put my replies here.

IronsightSniper said:
Can you stop ignoring my point? The Missile HAS to follow a logical path in it's endgame to detect the target. If it can see the target, the target can see the missile, THEREFORE, the general area of the missile is known, and a ABM can be launched, it's KV can separate, maneuver, and kill.
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Nope, that's video-game talk. The trajectory of the missile must be predicted to calculate the interception point. The reason is that the missile isn't stationary. Not only is it not stationary, but it is moving at an incredible fast speed of 7km/s. If the interceptor takes 30 seconds to reach the altitude of the missile, then the missile has traveled 210km already. Hence, the interceptor must be shot ahead so that it will arrive at the interception point at the same time as the missile. The KV can maneuver, but it can only maneuver within a boundary, so it must be released as close to the interception point as possible.

IronsightSniper said:
...It's reality.
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It isn't. Go consult Chapter 9.3.3 on page 263 of Space Mission Analysis and Design by James R. Wertz before you come up with such bullshit.

IronsightSniper said:
So no real literature, pure conjecture?
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I fail to see how physical platforms that are in-service can be classified as conjecture.
 
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solarz

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Nope, that's video-game talk. The trajectory of the missile must be predicted to calculate the interception point. The reason is that the missile isn't stationary. Not only is it not stationary, but it is moving at an incredible fast speed of 7km/s. If the interceptor takes 30 seconds to reach the altitude of the missile, then the missile has traveled 210km already. Hence, the interceptor must be shot ahead so that it will arrive at the interception point at the same time as the missile. The KV can maneuver, but it can only maneuver within a boundary, so it must be released as close to the interception point as possible.
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Exactly, the main characteristic that makes ASBMs undefendable by existing ship systems is the fact that they simply move too fast.

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Because the missile employs a complex guidance system, low radar signature and a maneuverability that makes its flight path unpredictable, the odds that it can evade tracking systems to reach its target are increased. It is estimated that the missile can travel at mach 10 and reach its maximum range of 2000km in less than 12 minutes.
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Mach 10 is actually 3.4 km/s
 
bladerunner

bladerunner

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To repeat an often repeated counter arguement,

They have yet to prove they can find a carrier at sea that doesnt want to be found, or even come close to hitting a moving target.
 
solarz

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bladerunner said:
To repeat an often repeated counter arguement,

They have yet to prove they can find a carrier at sea that doesnt want to be found, or even come close to hitting a moving target.
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Well, that's not really the issue is it?

The issue is, looking at the thread title, the effectiveness of China's Air Defence. A carrier *MIGHT* be able to sneak within range of China's coast in order to launch its jets, but how long can it afford to stay in the vicinity waiting for the jets to return from their mission?

The entire purpose of ASBM is to keep the carriers out of range of the Chinese coast, and thus dramatically reducing the amount of air power the US is able to bring to bear.
 
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solarz said:
Well, that's not really the issue is it?

The entire purpose of ASBM is to keep the carriers out of range of the Chinese coast, and thus dramatically reducing the amount of air power the US is able to bring to bear.
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maybe after china did a live test then we can discuss the capability of ASBM. until then its not realistic to say china has a ASBM that can hit a moving carrier. there is alot issues with ASBM travelling much faster than anti-ship cruise missile. china has to solve these issues and prove it can hit a moving ship
 
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