Effectiveness of China's Air Defence?

maybe after china did a live test then we can discuss the capability of ASBM. until then its not realistic to say china has a ASBM that can hit a moving carrier. there is alot issues with ASBM travelling much faster than anti-ship cruise missile. china has to solve these issues and prove it can hit a moving ship

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EXACTLY! I'm happy you brought this up. If these missiles are so capable why not have a public test to put some fear in China's potential foes??

Thats right so until then, I dont think its wise to factor the ASBM into the question of the effectiveness of Chinas aircraft defence.

bd popeye said:

EXACTLY! I'm happy you brought this up. If these missiles are so capable why not have a public test to put some fear in China's potential foes??

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Why would they? It's much better to keep your adversaries guessing than to show them your hand. Even a successful test will give China's adversaries ideas on how to counter the ASBM.

For now, it's enough that the USN is worried enough about the ASBM to tread more lightly. Even before the ASBM is fully operational, China is already leveraging its diplomatic value.

bladerunner said:

Thats right so until then, I dont think its wise to factor the ASBM into the question of the effectiveness of Chinas aircraft defence.

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That's a mighty strange idea. Why should we ignore an asset that the USN itself is worried about?

Why would they?

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To prove that they have it and it works. The USN & JMSDF has had several public test of the SM-3. Besides I man many other would like to see that.

For now, it's enough that the USN is worried enough about the ASBM to tread more lightly.

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The USN is not worried about anything. Concerned but not worried. Worry is a down payment on something that may never happen.

I think the PLA follows a different train of thought compared to US with respect to military transparency. Deng Xiaoping once said "Hide brilliance and cherish obscurity".

I think advancements in air defense technology especially against missiles is hyped no matter on what side. There have been enough cases, mentioned before in here, where all those advanced systems had flaws and didn't work as advertised even against the most obsolete technology. The questions brought up about the ASBM can be said of the F-22 as well. This latest Libyan intervention has again brought up the question why we still have not seen the F-22 in action? They use the B-2 to show-off against an enemy they don't need to use it against. Why not the F-22? After the unveiling of the J-20 there was the article released near immediately bragging the Pentagon already knew how to defeat it. How would they know how to defeat a stealth fighter they didn't confirm existed just days before? Because it's really all they learned in tests about defeating their own stealth fighters. Which is why they don't sell and export it because someone wanting to exploit it can probably learn a lot about it from it just flying around.

Just an FYI, you can defeat any stealth fighter with a low-band radar (like the L-band AESAs on the wing tips of the PAK-FA) or with QWIP-equipped IRSTs (which was canceled for the F-22 due to budget cuts).

The F-22 wasn't showed off for very obvious reasons. For one, it's only real role is Air Dominance. Sending F-22s in there packing GBUs is idiotic at best. For that role (Air Dominance), the Libyans didn't even 'fight' back, so again, no reason to send the Raptors to handle Eagle's jobs.

But your questioning of Air Defense technologies also brings this into question; how reliable is Russia/China?

The HQ-9 is based on the Soviet S-300 design, which has never seen combat to date. How reliable, exactly is it? Why would China put so much faith into an untested design as to arm it's first Air Defense ship with it? Would it not be more wise to design a SAM from scratch from designers they can trust?

And China can have just as many excuses for their ASBM.

AssassinsMace said:

\This latest Libyan intervention has again brought up the question why we still have not seen the F-22 in action? They use the B-2 to show-off against an enemy they don't need to use it against. Why not the F-22?.

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Remember the Frenchies are around!

If F-22 gets involved, instead of bombing Mr Khaddafi, The Frenchies will use Rafale and its EW suite to sniff around F-22 like an heroine addict at a Vogue party.

Tell the truth (of course this is just personal opinion), I don't think China really needs a system as advanced as the North American Missile Defence system. No one would dare to launch missiles against China, unless it's some small nation that borders China and disputes over its borderline. Otherwise, no countries other than US or Russia would dare do this. But being realistic, it would be very very unlikely that Russia or America would do this. I think a few missile battalions are more than enough to scare away unwanted foreign aircraft (military and civillian) and possible hijackers.