Effectiveness of China's Air Defence?

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antiterror13

Brigadier
IronsightSniper said:
Just an FYI, you can defeat any stealth fighter with a low-band radar (like the L-band AESAs on the wing tips of the PAK-FA) or with QWIP-equipped IRSTs (which was canceled for the F-22 due to budget cuts).

The F-22 wasn't showed off for very obvious reasons. For one, it's only real role is Air Dominance. Sending F-22s in there packing GBUs is idiotic at best. For that role (Air Dominance), the Libyans didn't even 'fight' back, so again, no reason to send the Raptors to handle Eagle's jobs.

But your questioning of Air Defense technologies also brings this into question; how reliable is Russia/China?

The HQ-9 is based on the Soviet S-300 design, which has never seen combat to date. How reliable, exactly is it? Why would China put so much faith into an untested design as to arm it's first Air Defense ship with it? Would it not be more wise to design a SAM from scratch from designers they can trust?
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HQ-9 is not based on S-300 ... it is absolutely wrong
 
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bunking

Just Hatched
Registered Member
pugachev_diver said:
Tell the truth (of course this is just personal opinion), I don't think China really needs a system as advanced as the North American Missile Defence system. No one would dare to launch missiles against China, unless it's some small nation that borders China and disputes over its borderline. Otherwise, no countries other than US or Russia would dare do this. But being realistic, it would be very very unlikely that Russia or America would do this. I think a few missile battalions are more than enough to scare away unwanted foreign aircraft (military and civillian) and possible hijackers.
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China need to have the most advance air defenses network in the world so not even the US or Russia will launch air strikes on China mainland. The US must in particularly made to think twice about conducting military strikes. Safe guarding the air that not even US F22, B2 can penetrate.
 
plawolf

plawolf

Lieutenant General
bd popeye said:
EXACTLY! I'm happy you brought this up. If these missiles are so capable why not have a public test to put some fear in China's potential foes??
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Why waste it? If they tested it (ie told the world they have this capability) it removes all ambiguity and all potential rivals will pour funds into developing a counter, and it will only be a matter of time before an effective countermeasure is developed and the advantage such a weapons system offers is diminished if not neutralized.

Would the F117 have worked as well as it did against Saddam had the USAF told the world they had stealth capabilities? Just look at how much effort and resources have gone into counter-stealth since and the strides that have been made. Would all that money, time and resources have been put into anti-stealth if nobody but the Americans knew if stealth was real or not?

By keeping the ASBM project in obscurity, the PLA ensures its rivals could not prepare for it and counter it as effectively as if they knew for a fact that the system is real and works and is not an elaborate red herring designed to make them waste time and resources developing a countermeasure to a fictional weapon.

Just because the PLA has not unveiled an ASBM does not mean it cannot do so. It would send a far more effective message if the PLA did a live firing during extreme tensions or an actual crisis.

For example, if war broke out across the Taiwan Straits, a successful ASBM live fire test would have a far greater impact on US calculations if that was the first confirmation they had that such a system existed, and would go a lot further in determining US policy than if they knew years in advanced about the weapon and had detailed countermeasures in place.

The ultimate goal, as described in the Art of War, is to win without having to fight by maximizing uncertainty, and hence the risks involved for the US to get directly involved in the fighting. The secondary goal of the weapon system would be to deliver a decisive blow should the US decide to intervene, but at that point, everyone has already lost no matter what the ultimate outcome is.
 
Hendrik_2000

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
IronsightSniper said:
So what would it be based off of? Or is it a completely original design (which doesn't seem so)?
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Why it is not possible?. They did successfully test ABM at midflight. And the only 2 countries that have the technology to shoot missile with kinetic kill vehicle at midfligt, are US and China. Did US willingly give China the secret?:D

You way understimate China man

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China tests new technology to shoot down missiles in mid-air
China has successfully tested a new technology designed to shoot down incoming missiles in mid-air, in a move that Chinese military experts claimed was a "breakthrough" for the country's rapidly modernising armed forces.

Photo: AFP/GETTY IMAGESBy Peter Foster in Beijing 7:00AM GMT 12 Jan 2010
The announcement of the successful test, made by the state news agency Xinhua, comes after a week of diplomatic tensions over a US decision to sell advanced Patriot anti-missile systems to neighbouring Taiwan.

"China conducted a test on ground-based midcourse missile interception technology within its territory. The test has achieved the expected objective," said the terse, three-sentence statement by Xinhua. "The test is defensive in nature and is not targeted at any country," it added.

The decision to make the test public, itself unusual, comes after several days of strident complaints from China's defence establishment over the US decision to allow a $3bn deal for 330 PAC-3 Patriot missiles to go ahead.

The sale has angered the Chinese with one senior Chinese general calling for "counter-measures" against the US, including a temporary suspension of military-to-military contacts which both sides agreed to strengthen after President Obama's visit to China last November.

The successful test follows China's 2007 announcement that it had successfully shot-down a satellite in a move which was seen as a deliberately public demonstration of its growing military capabilities.
 
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s002wjh

Junior Member
plawolf said:
Why waste it? If they tested it (ie told the world they have this capability) it removes all ambiguity and all potential rivals will pour funds into developing a counter, and it will only be a matter of time before an effective countermeasure is developed and the advantage such a weapons system offers is diminished if not neutralized.

Would the F117 have worked as well as it did against Saddam had the USAF told the world they had stealth capabilities? Just look at how much effort and resources have gone into counter-stealth since and the strides that have been made. Would all that money, time and resources have been put into anti-stealth if nobody but the Americans knew if stealth was real or not?

By keeping the ASBM project in obscurity, the PLA ensures its rivals could not prepare for it and counter it as effectively as if they knew for a fact that the system is real and works and is not an elaborate red herring designed to make them waste time and resources developing a countermeasure to a fictional weapon.

Just because the PLA has not unveiled an ASBM does not mean it cannot do so. It would send a far more effective message if the PLA did a live firing during extreme tensions or an actual crisis.

For example, if war broke out across the Taiwan Straits, a successful ASBM live fire test would have a far greater impact on US calculations if that was the first confirmation they had that such a system existed, and would go a lot further in determining US policy than if they knew years in advanced about the weapon and had detailed countermeasures in place.

The ultimate goal, as described in the Art of War, is to win without having to fight by maximizing uncertainty, and hence the risks involved for the US to get directly involved in the fighting. The secondary goal of the weapon system would be to deliver a decisive blow should the US decide to intervene, but at that point, everyone has already lost no matter what the ultimate outcome is.
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you do know for ANY new product, there is a testing phase, wheather is commercial or military. Name one missile or weapon system thats made by any military power didn't go through a live test. China has to test its weapon to KNOW its working, its a REQUIRED engineering process that every new product intruction has to go through. you think the ipod in your pocket didn't go through extensive test before went to productions? this is nothing about art of war or such, its about prove of concept.

FYI the f-117 DID alot testing during day/night/secretly before actual combat. A chinese ballistic missile testing has to notify other countries due to fact some might mistake as ICBM etc etc. on top of that a ballistic missile lunch by china can detect by russia and US.
 
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