SamuraiBlue
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This is only natural when there is an overlapping ADIZ it is hardly considered news.
East China Sea Air Defense ID Zone
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This is only natural when there is an overlapping ADIZ it is hardly considered news.
Blackstone
Brigadier
The danger is opposing air, sea, and in the future, space military hardware in the same area could lead to incidents with unintended consequences. >>>>> Removed inflammatory comments <<<<<
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Stoneman, there is No One on the Sino Defense forum that I have more love or respect for, I write this because for you this is personal, and I really do respect your judgement. However as your friend, and more important than that, fellow patriot, I would implore you to withhold your condemnation of the Japanese of today, for the sins of the past, this is one of those situations where Solomon himself would withhold judgement, as my earliest posts warned, the imposition of this ADIZ just added fuel to the fire, I'm not judging either side, and both parties feel they have standing, but this has made each of our worlds a more dangerous place, for what, for a few islands that no one lives on??? There is NO doubt that the US is very concerned with the increased intrusions of both Chinese and Russian aircraft, as well the increased risk of "proximity, and the US has attempted to hold a moderating, neutral perspective, but that isn't always possible.
Come on, Blackstone. You know those removed words were inflammatory, particularly when addressed to Samurai whom you know is Japanese.
Please stop pushing the envelope like this. You were already warned.
Although a diplomatic solution would be best, I for one cannot say the US is either a neutral or impartial party given that it is trying to bolster Japan's position at both China and Russia's expense to ensure its dominance over any possible competitor, and given that the Japanese are acting as if there is nothing to dispute the declared ADIZ is a very necessary element on China's part to protect their claims. It's no less true with Russia and its disputes either for that matter. As for Japan the fact that the current government essentially sympathizes with the perpetrators of those past sins makes things all the more problematic.
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China has every right to create a ADIZ zone.
As does Japan, or any other nation.
On this thread we are separating the ADIZ zone from the islands in question because discussions about those islands invariably leads to flame bait and arguments, and high emotion between good SD members from both sides...which ultimately lead to members being suspended and threads being closed.
So, a word to all posters...
STAY ON TOPIC about the ADIZ. Do not attempt to make this thread a Diaoyu/Senkaku Island issue.
joshuatree
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>>>>> Removed off topic portion about the islands. Stay on Topic! <<<<<
The US is not neutral or impartial. Otherwise, it would ask Japan to pull back it's ADIZ as well as other provocative moves in the same manner and tone to China.
The US is not neutral or impartial. Otherwise, it would ask Japan to pull back it's ADIZ as well as other provocative moves in the same manner and tone to China.
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That is just being beyond ignorant. Equipment doesn't matter, it's the heart of the fighters that matter. The Chinese military know this better than anyone as they were once the nation without anything to start a conflict with and persevered.
Yeah, but all the heart in the world isn't going to make the Phillippines navy's ships any more effective against a potential enemy who has individual destroyer flotillas that is many times more capable than the entire PN fleet.
If this relationship was not a naval one but a ground insurgency where a technologically weaker foe could use asymmetry and attrition more to their advantage, then tactics could be used to level the playing field.
It's like saying the DPRK navy can take on the USN as long as they have "heart". Come on.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
Exactly, heart doesn't do you much good at all if you haven't got any weapons you can use to pose much, if any, threat to your opponent.
No one doubts the likes of Hamas or ISIS doesn't have 'heart', but no amount of heart is going to allow them to bring down F15/16/18s or pose much of a threat to Israeli or US navy warships if they haven't got any long range SAMs or AShMs. If you haven't got the bare minimum level of equipment required, forget about different leagues, you are not even playing the same game.
Why do you think China waited so long before setting up its AIDZ?
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