East China Sea Air Defense ID Zone

Blackstone said:

Japan escalates its ECS territorial disputes with China with planned placement of surface-to-ship missiles on Kyushu and Miyako islands. My guess is China will retaliate by stationing more DH-10 mobile launchers near her NE coast.

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China has the definite advantage in this showdown because they already have significant assets in the area, back when it was pointed toward Taipei. Where Japan needs to actually deploy new weapons, China can probably just re-aim their existing weapon systems.

In any case, Japan getting into an arms race with China falls neatly into the Chinese strategy. The prospect of a military showdown is too risky and damaging, but if China can achieve its objective by squeezing the Japanese economy. Already, Japan is suffering from the boycott of Japanese products in China. I expect to see further economic measures to be implemented in the near future.

Blackstone said:

Japan escalates its ECS territorial disputes with China with planned placement of surface-to-ship missiles on Kyushu and Miyako islands. My guess is China will retaliate by stationing more DH-10 mobile launchers near her NE coast.

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The current Type 88 SSM has a range of 150km. The newer Type 12 SSMs will apparently have a longer range.

It was my understanding that the Type 12SSM is already in LRIP.

But they began putting these missiles on the islands last year I believe.

Since they are surface to surface missiles without the range to hit the mainland...I do not see how they figure into the ADIZ.

solarz said:

China has the definite advantage in this showdown because they already have significant assets in the area, back when it was pointed toward Taipei. Where Japan needs to actually deploy new weapons, China can probably just re-aim their existing weapon systems.

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Well, after reading some nice excerpts from the latest book Rebalancing US Forces, which I'm glad my friend shared with me, I'm pretty much convinced that in case of a full-blown conflict the Chinese warplan aims for destroying US 7th Fleet based in Yokosuka by the means of ballistic missiles and other Japanese naval bases before they can field them and destroy much of that force in ports.

This thread is about the Chinese Air Defence Identification Zone (ADIZ) in the East China Sea.

It is NOT about war with the United States.
It is NOT about the Chinese using ballistic missiles to take out the US 7th Fleet.
It is NOT about the Japnese installing realtively short range SSMs on their own islands.
It is NOT about the Chinese reaction to those missile installations.

It is about the ADIZ and how the Chinese deploy and use their sensors to identify aircraft approaching their shores, to communicate with those aircraft, and, in the event of not being able to identify them, to be able to intercept them. It is also about various nations response to the creation and PRC operation of the zone as respects their aircraft that enter the zone.

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Politicians lie.. that's what they do. It's up to the common folks to decipher what is real and what isn't. If not flat out lie definitely a lot of embellishment or significantly played down depending on the situation to appeal to the uneducated masses... and I do say uneducated because a large portion of society (regardless of country) are too lazy to do deep research and are easily fooled.

If you're in uniform you can be brought up or booked under Article 14 of the UCMJ or worst Article 15 for speaking ill of your country's politicians even if you disagree with them. That's more of a conversation around the scuttlebutt or your bunk mates.

anyhoo let's get back on topic.

I want to see a J11's 4G inverted dive with the Japanese F15 and the finger

aquauant said:

I want to see a J11's 4G inverted dive with the Japanese F15 and the finger

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Only in movies, only in movies.

In actuality the pilot and navigator would be court martial for severe negligence of military code of conduct endangering oneself,his crew, property of the US navy and other during a non combat situation. His wings would be yanked off and be sent off to Fort Leavenworth before he can say I.
Don't know about PLA's military code of conduct but in the western world it is a serious offense since it could lead to miscalculations triggering a war between two nations, something I do not care seeing.

I've been wondering what the typical load-out for PLAAF/PLANAF fighters is when they scramble on a intercept mission. The few pictures that I have seen now is a Flanker with only 2 (?) missiles.

From what I see on the internet, I think Dutch F-16s on QRA duty are equipped with 4 AAMs (2x AMRAAM, 2x Sindewinder and two fuel tanks).


UK Typhoons are apparently loaded with 8 (!) AAMs (4x AMRAAM, 4x ASRAAM and two 1000L droptanks).


German Typhoons are loaded with 4? AAMs and 1 droptank.


American F-15s deployed to the Baltics were equipped with 4 AAMs (2x AMRAAM, 2x Sidewinder (x- variant?) and two droptanks).


American F-15s somewhere in the US are equipped with 6 AAMs (4x AMRAAM, 2x Sidewinder (x- variant?) and two droptanks).


Could anyone clarify what the logic would be behind the variation in the amount of AAMs and the type of AAMs that are loaded?

Someone already pointed out that PLAAF fighters are equiped with only two missiles in order not to fuel additional "China-threat" discussions, but are there other considerations like drag that could explain this as there are also variations in the armament in the US F-15 fleet and European Typhoon fleet.

aquauant said:

I want to see a J11's 4G inverted dive with the Japanese F15 and the finger

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Besides from what Samuraiblue said, you know that this picture is impossible as the vertical stabilizers of the two planes would have already hit each other and the pilots probably would have already lost control.

PanAsian said:

Besides from what Samuraiblue said, you know that this picture is impossible as the vertical stabilizers of the two planes would have already hit each other and the pilots probably would have already lost control.

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I hope that you know that it meant to be a joke. Yes, hard for you guys to believe, a lot of people in China including myself do know that Top Gun is a movie. No point of pointing the obvious.

Chill.. But I do like you guys all jack up and actually tried to explain the movie scene to me seriously. I got a few laughs in the Chinese forum though.