East China Sea Air Defense ID Zone

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Jeff Head

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delft said:
The Russian action was a reaction to the US putting its similar missiles near Moscow - Jupiter's in Turkey and Italy, Thor's in England..
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England is nothing compared to Cuba in terms of flight time to the respective Capitols. Turkey is closer. But the populations centers for the two countries are MUCH closer for the US.

But that was not at all the issue of the discussion, so let's don't stray off point with arguments that do not apply to the point of the discussion..

The fact is, the US reaction had nothing to do with the Russian Navy visiting Cuba...or Cuba being a Russian ally, which is what the contention was. It was about the nuclear missiles.

It is also well thrashed out and off topic to this ADIZ thread.
 
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The US and Russia continue to play the cat and mouse/intercept games too. Well off Alaska.


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Blackstone

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SamuraiBlue said:
In the age of Photoshop and Premiere, seeing is not always believing. Photos (and film) had been staged and doctored from the dawns of optical photograph itself so that old proverb is as useless as much as the key board you type on it.
I can say one thing for sure with an overall length just shy of 20m and a wing span of 13m the F-15J is no way near 30m. If it was the plane would have occupied 2/3 of the screen and will be able to ID the pilot's name printed on the helmet with wing of each other plane almost touching each other. The very reason why Japan had responded so vocally.
The JSDF flew an EP-3 and a variant of YS-11 which is turbo prop much less maneuverable than a fighter. PLAAF can spy and or respond as much as they want as long as they place safety of both parties first.
PLAAF should not want another Hainan Island Incident on their hands.
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So, is Japanese complains about Chinese fighters flying too close, or about the presence of Chinese assets at all? The former is reasonable, while the latter is what all the finger pointing is all about. Is there a dispute over Diaoyu/Senkaku or isn't there?
 
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Blackstone said:
That's no cat-n-mouse, it's more like leopard eyeing a fat cow. I hope those Russian airmen know how to swim.
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Well, not much different than a Japanese recon aircraft, or a Chinese recon aircraft, being intercepted and shadowed by their respective opponents fighters.

And that was the point.

What we see happening in the East China Sea is exactly what has been going on for decades around the United States and Russia.

One thing you can say about the TU-95 Bear...it has seen every US fighter intercepting and escorting it from the F-8 in the late 50s and early 60s, to the F-4 in the later 60s and 70s, the F-15s and F-18s in the 80s-90s and 2000s, and now the F-22.
 
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foxmulder_ms said:
Ankara-Moscow distance is identical to Havana-DC.
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Well, the capitols are close to the same...but not identical. It's close to 100knm further to Moscow.

But the bigger issue for the US was that there are many large US populations centers much closer. Key West is 77 miles, Miami is 195 miles. Whereas Novorossiysk is over 400 miles and Volograd is over 800 miles from Ankara. The US border is right there, the Russian border is much more distant.

But, this has to be the end of it...it is off topic.

LET'S GET BACK ON TOPIC
 
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Blackstone

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Jeff Head said:
Well, not much different than a Japanese recon aircraft, or a Chinese recon aircraft, being intercepted and shadowed by their respective opponents fighters.

And that was the point.

What we see happening in the East China Sea is exactly what has been going on for decades around the United States and Russia.
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Which lend credence to Chinese assertion of American and Japanese hypocrisy on China as provocateur, and feeds into Chinese believe of containment and encirclement. The US is doing the best she can with the bad hand she was delt, but with the Congressional election heating up, the "get tough with China" rhetoric is going to flow like water, and cause even more tension at a time when cooler heads are needed. Out of the frying pan, into the fire.
 
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Janiz said:
Well, I fail to realise where's the 'big lie' from Japanese side. That was a video of typical scrambling the plain in the air keeping safe distance of few houndreds of meters from each other for a few (1-5) minutes. That's how I always imagined scrambling the aircraft in the air. Chinese side claimed that Japanese aircraft made dangerous movements and got as close to the aircraft as close as 30 meters which isn't showed in the realesed footage. If Japanese side had ever said that they don't perform scramblings in their ADIZ? Well, they publish minute statistics about the number of that 'events'. I think that Japanese protested about the realese of the video material which you don't do on normal basis just like they weren't happy about leak of the footage of Chinese and Japanese CG ships 'quarrel' off the well known islands which happened back in 2010. And I fail to realise the reason for the tone of discussion about something that everyone already knows and writing something about 'Japanese lies' as well...
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Yes Gentlemen, he's right, the incessant and whiney "Japanese Lies" is redundant and the Japanese are certainly no better or worse than China and the US in that respect. Our own US government has been very dishonest selling the affordable care act, and Ms Rice, Mrs. Clinton, and Mr. Obama will Never allow the truth of Benghazi to be told, so I suggest in the interest of your own integrity, that we each worry about our own respective government, before labeling the neighbors liars, and another thing, I am really sick of folks playing the "victim card"????
 
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Japan escalates its ECS territorial disputes with China with planned placement of surface-to-ship missiles on Kyushu and Miyako islands. My guess is China will retaliate by stationing more DH-10 mobile launchers near her NE coast.

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The Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs has said the country will take "firm and effective actions" against Japanese deployments of surface-to-ship missiles (SSMs) on Kyushu and Miyako island.

The Type 88 SSM (pictured) will eventually be replaced with the new Type 12. (Unknown)The Type 88 SSM (pictured) will eventually be replaced with the new Type 12. (Unknown)

Japanese media outlets on 15 June detailed plans by the Japan Ground Self-Defense Force (JGSDF) to deploy its new Type 12 SSMs on Kyushu by 2016.

The JGSDF is also said to have deployed a batch of Type 88 coastal-defence SSMs at the port of Hirara on Miyako Island, Okinawa Prefecture, to counter possible Chinese attacks on the contested islands of Senkaku/Diaoyu. The islands are under Japanese control but claimed by China and Taiwan.
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