CV-16 Liaoning (001 carrier) Thread II ...News, Views and operations

[vesicles]

In my opinion, Popeye's list is very reasonable. And we all know too well that those are the things that any CV should be able to do well in order to be an effective CV.

Just because the PLAN hasn't shown us any photos/videos, it doesn't mean they haven't done them, as Popeye stressed. Even more importantly, it doesn't mean they intend not to do any of those things on purpose.

I don't think anyone should interpret Popeye's list as criticism. It's his wishlist, just like we wish to see the Liaoning sail with its escorts in full CBG formation.

 

[Jeff Head]

Guys, popeye served 20+ years in the US Navy on carriers. He served on the:

USS John F Kennedy (CVA 67)
USS Midway (CVA 41)
USS Hancock (CVA 19)
USS America (CV 66)..embarked with CVW 11
USS Nimitz (CVN 68) embarked with CVW 9

Three of those are super carriers, one of them a nuclear powered Nimitz class super carriers.

He KNOWS what he is talking about. I promise you, the CHinese are going to have to learn to maintain aircraft in their hanger spaces. If they do not, they will never operate for extended periods doing flight operations far from home.

Those aircraft are going t have things happen that require them to do upkeep...up to and including full engine replacement on US carriers.

A US carrier goes to sea ready to fix almost anything imaginable that happens to that air wing. The air wing is why the carrier exists. Carrier take off and landings, and the high performance exercises they perform are hard on the aircraft in peace time...and harder still in combat.

The Chinese clearly expect to operate their carriers to defend and look after their SLOCs...and those SLOCs are going to extend to Afirca, the Med, to South America,, and ultimately elsewhere...places far away from the mainland.

So if something goes wrong, they want to be able to fix it and keep the aircraft available and flying.

Popeye did this kind of stuff for years on carriers.

That list of things he asked about is a very valid list...being able to do all of that separates the really proficient and capable carrier fleets from the rest of the world. China will want to be able to do those things.

Time will tell.

But I will tell you this, from my own knowledge, Popeye is is the real thing...BTW, so is Kwaig on these boards. we are really lucky and blessed to have them both on our forum and to have access to the knowledge they can share...and believe me, there's a ot they cannot share.

 

[Hendrik_2000]

I don't have any intention to show disrespect to Popeye I have nothing but respect for him
But first thing first. US has been operating Carrier for hundred years. China just started in 2012.

It is a bit unfair to compare China carrier operation to US
They just now formulated the SOP. Carrier operation is dangerous no doubt it
That is why they take it slow and they learn as they go. Of course they don't have all the procedure compare to US

So be patient as they say. and not finding fault or shortcoming just to show the superiority of US . We know that!

 

[antiterror13]

Guys, popeye served 20+ years in the US Navy on carriers. He served on the:

USS John F Kennedy (CVA 67)
USS Midway (CVA 41)
USS Hancock (CVA 19)
USS America (CV 66)..embarked with CVW 11
USS Nimitz (CVN 68) embarked with CVW 9

Three of those are super carriers, one of them a nuclear powered Nimitz class super carriers.

He KNOWS what he is talking about. I promise you, the CHinese are going to have to learn to maintain aircraft in their hanger spaces. If they do not, they will never operate for extended periods doing flight operations far from home.

Those aircraft are going t have things happen that require them to do upkeep...up to and including full engine replacement on US carriers.

A US carrier goes to sea ready to fix almost anything imaginable that happens to that air wing. The air wing is why the carrier exists. Carrier take off and landings, and the high performance exercises they perform are hard on the aircraft in peace time...and harder still in combat.

The Chinese clearly expect to operate their carriers to defend and look after their SLOCs...and those SLOCs are going to extend to Afirca, the Med, to South America,, and ultimately elsewhere...places far away from the mainland.

So if something goes wrong, they want to be able to fix it and keep the aircraft available and flying.

Popeye did this kind of stuff for years on carriers.

That list of things he asked about is a very valid list...being able to do all of that separates the really proficient and capable carrier fleets from the rest of the world. China will want to be able to do those things.

Time will tell.

But I will tell you this, from my own knowledge, Popeye is is the real thing...BTW, so is Kwaig on these boards. we are really lucky and blessed to have them both on our forum and to have access to the knowledge they can share...and believe me, there's a ot they cannot share.

Very true .....
Just wondering whether the British and French do all sort of maintenance and repairs on board like the USN do? ..... note: I don't include others (Russia, Thailand, Brazil, Spain and Italia) as I know they don't

 

[kriss]

Very true .....
Just wondering whether the British and French do all sort of maintenance and repairs on board like the USN do? ..... note: I don't include others (Russia, Thailand, Brazil, Spain and Italia) as I know they don't

Russian don't? Even at their best time with Kiev class? You would expect them try harder as one side of cold war.

 

[antiterror13]

Russian don't? Even at their best time with Kiev class? You would expect them try harder as one side of cold war.

Please note I did mention Russia not USSR.

I even doubt that USSR did heavy maintenance and repairs on board

 

[kwaigonegin]

I was really hoping to see night time flight ops this last outing so needless to say I was a tad disappointed. Maybe they can hope for a commander's moon as their first go around.

Perhaps soon PLAN will release photos of night launches and night traps.
They have been flying J15s off liaoning for a while now... It's high time they practice at night if they haven't done so already.

I'm going to presume all have pass night FCLPs and that PLAN follows the same as USN as far as that is concern.

Landing is by far the most jarring and difficult when it's pitch black however it's not just for the drivers. Night ops is also different from daytime operations for everyone involve. From the folks in the perch, to the crew below and everyone else involved. Some lights has to be off on the deck so pilots can see the landing lights only etc. LSOs have to be specially train for night traps as well.

 

[jobjed]

I was really hoping to see night time flight ops this last outing so needless to say I was a tad disappointed. Maybe they can hope for a commander's moon as their first go around.

Perhaps soon PLAN will release photos of night launches and night traps.
They have been flying J15s off liaoning for a while now... It's high time they practice at night if they haven't done so already.

I'm going to presume all have pass night FCLPs and that PLAN follows the same as USN as far as that is concern.

Landing is by far the most jarring and difficult when it's pitch black however it's not just for the drivers. Night ops is also different from daytime operations for everyone involve. From the folks in the perch, to the crew below and everyone else involved. Some lights has to be off on the deck so pilots can see the landing lights only etc. LSOs have to be specially train for night traps as well.

The likelihood of the PLAN releasing night-op footage is probably low. Think about why they released the footage that they did... because it looks good. It looks great on state television, it looks cool and motivates the populace to contribute to building a strong navy. Do night-ops look good on TV? Perhaps, but not likely; it's dark and so many details are obscured. It contributes little to looking cool on TV. The only thing it'll achieve is to satiate us military enthusiasts and we constitute a tiny portion of the population. It's simply not worth broadcasting night-ops, which takes up precious minutes of airtime on state television, to satisfy a tiny portion of the audience.

 

[FORBIN]

True..neither am I. But I have served aboard real aircraft carriers.

Replenishment's are necessary to keep the ship fully supplied. When deployed replenishment's should become a normal occurrence. A ship won't always be close to a home base. USN CVN's do VERTREPs even when operating close to home base.

I'm out.

LOL Your a man ! No one can speak better about it than our own Popeye he is the sailor man...

For escort... in War time in general weapons faster exhausted than fuel so the CVN alone is insufficient.

 

[Hendrik_2000]

New video this time it show the CBG formation