CV-16 Liaoning (001 carrier) Thread II ...News, Views and operations

[weig2000]

The likelihood of the PLAN releasing night-op footage is probably low. Think about why they released the footage that they did... because it looks good. It looks great on state television, it looks cool and motivates the populace to contribute to building a strong navy. Do night-ops look good on TV? Perhaps, but not likely; it's dark and so many details are obscured. It contributes little to looking cool on TV. The only thing it'll achieve is to satiate us military enthusiasts and we constitute a tiny portion of the population. It's simply not worth broadcasting night-ops, which takes up precious minutes of airtime on state television, to satisfy a tiny portion of the audience.

With all due respect, I think you guys are making excuses for PLAN having not done night-op or releasing night-op footage just yet. In all likelihood, PLAN has not accomplished the night-op yet or at least they have not been arrived at the stage where they feel comfortable to release the footage yet.

For anyone who has been closely followed and watched PLAN's carrier programs, it's obvious that they've been pretty open and provided regular updates of progress in carrier development and operations. These include the regular press by MOND spokesman, regular footage releases via China's national television programs on the key activities and milestones of Liaoning, interviews with key personnel involved in the construction and operations of carriers, etc. I don't recall any other defense programs that have received such broad, regular and consistent attention and coverage in China (J-20 would be a distant second). This is not surprising. No other military program has the same visual appeal, the scope and complexity of the operations that arouse the pride of the nation.

Carrier night-op is very complex and dangerous; successfully mastering it would represent another milestone in PLAN's carrier operations development. The visual image and footage would also be difficult to resist for the general public. As such, it's hard to imagine that PLAN would hide or let go such a great PR opportunity.

The only reasonable explanation for them not having released such footage is that they're not ready yet and have not felt comfortable doing so. I'm sure they've been practicing night-op at least in some limited fashion. They'll release them when it's the right time.

 

[Intrepid]

In 2005, when Liaoning left the drydock for the first time, everybody said "nobody can establish a carrier force in a few years". They were right! China will do it in fifty years. They start in the 1970s and will be ready in the 2020s - including night ops, well trained carrier battle groups, already 10 years of experience and lots of senior pilots!

 

[bd popeye]

The flight deck was pitch dark! Was it on purpose for PR or is keeping the CV in dark still useful in war time? I'd think that doing so won't be able to hide the CV from enemy's radars afar, right?

Hopefully you are kidding..enywho most folks in the US have little knowledge about aircraft carriers. ..and there are many, many videos of USN night carrier ops..

 

[kwaigonegin]

With all due respect, I think you guys are making excuses for PLAN having not done night-op or releasing night-op footage just yet. In all likelihood, PLAN has not accomplished the night-op yet or at least they have not been arrived at the stage where they feel comfortable to release the footage yet.

For anyone who has been closely followed and watched PLAN's carrier programs, it's obvious that they've been pretty open and provided regular updates of progress in carrier development and operations. These include the regular press by MOND spokesman, regular footage releases via China's national television programs on the key activities and milestones of Liaoning, interviews with key personnel involved in the construction and operations of carriers, etc. I don't recall any other defense programs that have received such broad, regular and consistent attention and coverage in China (J-20 would be a distant second). This is not surprising. No other military program has the same visual appeal, the scope and complexity of the operations that arouse the pride of the nation.

Carrier night-op is very complex and dangerous; successfully mastering it would represent another milestone in PLAN's carrier operations development. The visual image and footage would also be difficult to resist for the general public. As such, it's hard to imagine that PLAN would hide or let go such a great PR opportunity.

The only reasonable explanation for them not having released such footage is that they're not ready yet and have not felt comfortable doing so. I'm sure they've been practicing night-op at least in some limited fashion. They'll release them when it's the right time.

I agree. I too think the reason there are no footages is because they have not done it yet operationally on board. They may have done it during FCLP or equivalent.

 

[kriss]

If done and edited professionally night ops are the BEST footage!

Here's the problem, PLA PR department sucks. I remember once watched news report of army conducting night ops. They literally have a giant flashlight follow soldiers wearing night vision goggles all the way through. Also if they know any better they wouldn't show jet fighter firing unguided rocket almost every single time airforce is mentioned. They were improved a bit recent years but in general they still suck.

On the other hand, police force do have some good PR.

 

[kwaigonegin]

The flight deck was pitch dark! Was it on purpose for PR or is keeping the CV in dark still useful in war time? I'd think that doing so won't be able to hide the CV from enemy's radars afar, right?

Hmmmm what has radar got anything to do with the lights?
As to the general lighting read my previous post on why the deck is not lit up like a Christmas tree. If you turn too many lights on the pilot may not properly see the actual landing lights on the angle deck. You don't want to get too distracted during landing.

In the middle of the ocean it is pitch dark! Especially on a moonless night! It's even darker for the pilot as the only thing he sees are his instruments and he actually has to reduce the instrumentation brightness otherwise his eyes would not adapt.

This happened on board CVN 76 a few years ago. This type of accident is call a ramp strike.

 

[Intrepid]

If there is a report of US-Navy aircraft carriers lasting one hour, then there is at least five minutes night ops included.

 

[Intrepid]

In the middle of the ocean it is pitch dark! Especially on a moonless night!

The first Chinese night ops will be performed at full moon and with the sky clear.

It's even darker for the pilot as the only thing he sees are his instruments and he actually has to reduce the instrumentation brightness otherwise his eyes would not adapt.

I am an instrument flight instructor. In bad visibility at night all windows are black, at daylight all windows are white. You have to trust your instruments. Keep your eyes on them and concentrate on the glidepath. Remember: with 550 meters runway visible range you have 10 seconds from runway in sight to touch down. It is a deadly mistake to try to look out of the window to early.

 

[Deino]

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China invites everyone to take a look at its aircraft carrier

Chinese Ministry of Defense spokesman Yang Yujun said during a monthly news briefing on Dec. 29 that anyone can come take a look at its aircraft carrier Liaoning, as long as relevant laws and rules are not broken and there is no obstruction to the navigation of the ship.

Yang was responding to a question from a reporter regarding the recent monitoring of the carrier by Japan Maritime Self Defense Force ships and aircraft while it skirt Japan.

And to all a happy new year !

Deino

 

[SanWenYu]

Hopefully you are kidding..enywho most folks in the US have little knowledge about aircraft carriers. ..and there are many, many videos of USN night carrier ops..

It is an honest question. I wasn't kidding. Neither was I to dismiss necessity and usefulness of such night CV ops back then.

But given that there are more and better sensors that work in night as well as in daytime, is it even possible to hide such a busy CV by simply turning off its lights?