CV-16 Liaoning (001 carrier) Thread II ...News, Views and operations

[Hendrik_2000]

Well popeye I am not expert in Aircraft Carrier by any stretch. But I try to answer your question as best as I could. Just now I watch CCTV and one of the naval research org was in the show He said China now considered Liaoning to be in IOC

1) Major aircraft maintenance such as engines changes or landing gear drop checks.

J15 on board Liaoning is brand new. How many time do you have to go to garage with your brand new Toyota or Honda?

2) VERTREPs day or night.

Most of Liaoning exercise are still inside Bohai or EAst China sea and the latest exercise is only 10 hr sailing time . So there is no need of VETREP day or night . I guess they have enough fuel on board that doesn't require VETREP. But the fact that built huge Oiler should tell people that they see the need for VETREP

3) Night flight deck operations. Never seen it.

It may or may not already occurred. But China is not US or India . There is more secrecy about crew men taking video from their Phone. And the propaganda people doesn't see benefit from shooting night launch

4) ALPHA strike.(that's when you throw everything at the bad guys).never seen any large amounts of ordnance on the flight deck.[/

It is still in IOC you will see this op as time goes by Give it one more years

5) Never seen Liaoning refueling another ship.

Why is this important? Isn't it the Oiler job to do refuelling

6) Never seen the aircraft aboard refueling from an airborne tanker. The Chinese claim that the J-15 can re-fuel and use a buddy store but I've not seen it.

They say they do buddy to buddy refueling The fact that there is no photo mean that they don't see any value in showing off this operation

7) Never seen a"Rig the barricade drill" or Flight deck fire drill aboard the PLAN CV. Never.

I am sure they do this

 

[Intrepid]

Isn't it the Oiler job to do refuelling

The oiler refuels the carrier and the carrier gives some of his fuel to the excorts in between. Excorts will be topped with fuel, when a rough sea is expected. Then they are more stable in the water.

 

[bd popeye]

Excellent post Hendrik_2000^^^^

J15 on board Liaoning is brand new. How many time do you have to go to garage with your brand new Toyota or Honda?

Ever own a true exotic sports car? Like a Ferrari or Lamborghini? I have not... but they require a lot of maintenance. military aircrfat are hi-performance aircraft..not a Cessna or a jet-liner by any means. Think of them as an exotic sports car. Trust me they do have maintenance issues. This is of course unless the Chinese make aircrfat that have no maintenance issues. And that my friend is impossible.

Shipborne aircraft are subject to the pounding of arrested landings and the salty air of the ocean. They DO need maintenance.

Gotta go. I'll be back.

 

[Intrepid]

The aircraft need maintenance at their homebase. Maintenance is not always necessary during intermediate landings. Liaoning was previously a kind of an intermediate landing strip, not homebase.

 

[bd popeye]

The aircraft need maintenance at their homebase. Maintenance is not always necessary during intermediate landings. Liaoning was previously a kind of an intermediate landing strip, not homebase.

you cannot operate an aircraft carrier without the ablity to perform different levels maintenance on aircraft. ALL military aircraft have issues. Those arrested landings take a tremendous toll on the airframe. Things break or go hay-wire and need to be fixed. Most of the maintainence needed is minor but major break downs do occur.

Want to see what happens during an arrested landing? Observe.

This video still holds true today despite it's nearly 37 age.

 

[Intrepid]

A carrier with little maintenance workshop space:

It returns to harbour, if something unexpected occur:

 

[bd popeye]

Well popeye I am not expert in Aircraft Carrier by any stretch.

True..neither am I. But I have served aboard real aircraft carriers.

Most of Liaoning exercise are still inside Bohai or EAst China sea and the latest exercise is only 10 hr sailing time . So there is no need of VETREP day or night . I guess they have enough fuel on board that doesn't require VETREP. But the fact that built huge Oiler should tell people that they see the need for VETREP

Replenishment's are necessary to keep the ship fully supplied. When deployed replenishment's should become a normal occurrence. A ship won't always be close to a home base. USN CVN's do VERTREPs even when operating close to home base.

(Night operations)It may or may not already occurred. But China is not US or India . There is more secrecy about crew men taking video from their Phone. And the propaganda people doesn't see benefit from shooting night launch

That does not make sense. Seems to me that the PLAN would want to show the World what they can do with their CV...night operations should also become "normal"...It's not a big secret.

Why is this important? Isn't it the Oiler job to do refuelling

An oilier is not always available. Plus it is a good ablity to know...and it's something USN carrier strike groups do.

They say they do buddy to buddy refueling The fact that there is no photo mean that they don't see any value in showing off this operation

..and..

I am sure they do this

My answer for the last two;

Now that does not mean the PLAN has not done these things. They may or may not have done them. I've just not seen them performed.

I'm out.

 

[bd popeye]

You guys like to argue. jeeze

A carrier with little maintenance workshop space:

It returns to harbour, if something unexpected occur:

Lexington had the spaces aboard for repair. They were not heavily utilized because LEX was a true training ships. Use mostly to teach nugget pilots how to trap aboard a CV.

When LEX went to sea during her years as a training carrier squadron personnel assigned to repair aircfat went out to sea with her.

If things went wrong with the aircraft squadron maintenance personnel repaired the aircraft to the ablity of the squadron level maintenance. LEX seldom spent more than a few days at sea doing carrier quals. LEX was the USN training CV starting on 29 December 1963 . She continued as a training carrier until decommissioned and struck on 8 November 1991...LEX never deployed overseas in those 28 years. Always operating in the Gulf of Mexico or Caribbean.

Sometimes I have to wonder if some of you have any respect for what I post about carriers. Carriers are something I do know about. I really do.

I served aboard;
USS John F Kennedy (CVA 67)
USS Midway (CVA 41)
USS Hancock (CVA 19)
USS America (CV 66)..embarked with CVW 11
USS Nimitz (CVN 68) embarked with CVW 9

I'm out...

 

[Intrepid]

Lexington had the spaces aboard for repair. They were not heavily utilized because LEX was a true training ships. Use mostly to teach nugget pilots how to trap aboard a CV.

When LEX went to sea during her years as a training carrier squadron personnel assigned to repair aircfat went out to sea with her.

If things went wrong with the aircraft squadron maintenance personnel repaired the aircraft to the ablity of the squadron level maintenance. LEX seldom spent more than a few days at sea doing carrier quals [...] LEX never deployed overseas in those 28 years. Always operating in the Gulf of Mexico or Caribbean.

That is exactly the job Liaoning is doing at the moment.

(... and I'm pretty sure the "16" is no coincidence.)

 

[Jeff Head]

Sorry, to ask again ...




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That is the best pic of the Liaoning I have seen to date.