Crisis in the Ukraine

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delft

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I just looked at the BBC website, to wit:
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It contains a 48 sec video about the large number of people fleeing Mariupol that shows, near the end, a bus, I assume a regular line bus, on its travel from Donetsk to Berdjansk via Mariupol. Does anyone know more about the operations of bus lines in the area at this time?
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SampanViking

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Just some blatant propaganda
A video homage to the Battalion of hero leader Motorola

[video=youtube_share;6O8TRyO5Zac]http://youtu.be/6O8TRyO5Zac[/video]

Just a bit of fun so enjoy.
 

thunderchief

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Rebels took Lugansk airport (or are about to take it) . Confirmed by Ukrainian sites so it is probably true :

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Ukrainians admitted Donbas battalion is destroyed (they say it would be reconstituted with new volunteers) :

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Rebels earlier captured 108 fighters from Donbas battalion near Ilovaysk ( interview with POWs at the link )

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Overall, rebels are trying to eliminate one by one major pockets of Ukrainian army. If they succeed, war would probably end shortly (or at least major hostilities) . Winter is coming, gas situation in Ukraine will become critical in few months, and I don't think there will be much will to fight . Ukrainians screwed themselves badly (pardon my language ;)) when they ousted Yanukovich, soon they would realize it.
 

Dannhill

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The crash site of MH17 by now is obviously very secured from Kiev attempts to capture it so why has Holland not announced any intentions to return to collect all aircraft debris before the onset of winter? Still waiting for Kiev to capture it?

Ukraine threw away the chance for a peaceful settlement and an autonomous eastern Ukraine when their newly elected President declared that only a military solution id possible and refuse to negotiate with "terrorists".

Cassad paints a picture of the Kiev govt caught between the never-surrender US boss who owns him and the harsh fact that Kiev cannot win the war without direct NATO intervention. Which would, of course bring in real Russian invasion.

Cassad stated that he'd prefer having the whole Ukraine rather than just the east.

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Janiz

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Cassad paints a picture of the Kiev govt caught between the never-surrender US boss who owns him and the harsh fact that Kiev cannot win the war without direct NATO intervention. Which would, of course bring in real Russian invasion.
Cassad also paints Stalin as the best leader in the world's history. Do I need to write more?
 

Dannhill

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The fall of the once highly regarded news media that refused to wag their tail when ordered to by Whitehall. The power of the paycheck and harsh employment situation in UK for journos.

From Cassad's latest, seems wire agency AP has embedded journalists with the separatists so it will be impossible for western media to continue to put out their bullshit lies.

Btw, does that means the residents of Mariupol are fleeing north to Donetsk and not west towards free Ukraine?

I just looked at the BBC website, to wit:
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It contains a 48 sec video about the large number of people fleeing Mariupol that shows, near the end, a bus, I assume a regular line bus, on its travel from Donetsk to Berdjansk via Mariupol. Does anyone know more about the operations of bus lines in the area at this time?
There is also a new daft map. :)
 
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Dannhill

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But Cassad provided real news of what is happening in east Ukraine when all western media very busily stuffing their sites with blatant US/Kiev lies.

And I also know that Stalin/Russia won the war in Europe in WW2, and I am not even European.

Cassad also paints Stalin as the best leader in the world's history. Do I need to write more?
 
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plawolf

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Cassad also paints Stalin as the best leader in the world's history. Do I need to write more?

Politics and facts are two seperate and distinct things. A conception the western media seems hard pressed to grasp lately (or perhaps it has always been the case, and that its only recently that the internet and social media has allowed those interested to see past their BS and Spin).
 

pla101prc

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Cassad also paints Stalin as the best leader in the world's history. Do I need to write more?

well if you are asking about leadership, stalin does have his own merits and peculiarities. i am not entirely surprised that someone would judge him to be the best in terms of ability.
 
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