Re: Crisis in Egypt!
Military is taking over. We'll see how long the people hail them as liberators.
Military is taking over. We'll see how long the people hail them as liberators.
Crisis in Egypt & Middle East!
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Re: Crisis in Egypt!
I'm actually friends with Hosni Mubarak's great nephew on Facebook, he went to the same high school I did. He posted a fairly cryptic status an hour ago, his first since the start of this business. I suppose he knew a little before everyone else.
To be honest I thought Mubarak was going to survive until there were interim elections of some kind. I guess that was impossible after people responded to his refusal to leave with rage and not apathy.
I'm actually friends with Hosni Mubarak's great nephew on Facebook, he went to the same high school I did. He posted a fairly cryptic status an hour ago, his first since the start of this business. I suppose he knew a little before everyone else.
To be honest I thought Mubarak was going to survive until there were interim elections of some kind. I guess that was impossible after people responded to his refusal to leave with rage and not apathy.
Re: Crisis in Egypt!
The situation has sent alarm signals to the US and West as they fear that this is likely to create a vacuum in the region due to anti-American and anti-western feelings in the Arab world. The western analysts feel that that Chinese are going to fill the vacuum if America and the West does not quickly stabilise the situation to their advantage.
The situation has sent alarm signals to the US and West as they fear that this is likely to create a vacuum in the region due to anti-American and anti-western feelings in the Arab world. The western analysts feel that that Chinese are going to fill the vacuum if America and the West does not quickly stabilise the situation to their advantage.
Mr T
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Ting, given that China demonised the protests I don't know how it could easily go into Egypt and say "hi guys - yay democracy, let's be best friends!"
The only realistic way Egypt could replace the US in terms of influence would be if there was a racist backlash and the next stable government said "let's ally ourselves with non-whites".
Ting, given that China demonised the protests I don't know how it could easily go into Egypt and say "hi guys - yay democracy, let's be best friends!"
The only realistic way Egypt could replace the US in terms of influence would be if there was a racist backlash and the next stable government said "let's ally ourselves with non-whites".
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T, When did China demonised the protest? quoted source please.
Also, the next government must be pro-US or else it is a racist unstable state?
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T, When did China demonised the protest? quoted source please.
Also, the next government must be pro-US or else it is a racist unstable state?
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airsuperiority
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his disappearance was so coincidentally marked at the same date as my model UN, that the egypt delegate ended up didn't show up in the first half of the day lol
his disappearance was so coincidentally marked at the same date as my model UN, that the egypt delegate ended up didn't show up in the first half of the day lol
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Just found T's sources on China demonizing the protests. Very BAD China demonizing the protesters.
China issues first statement on Egypt protests
National Chinese newspaper China Daily wrote in its editorial Saturday that "it is hoped that the Egyptian Military, government, and people will make every effort to maintain social stability and restore normal order." The statement is the first official one to come out of Beijing, Reuters reported.
The editorial also warned that "if the current situation continues to deteriorate, it will not only be nightmarish for the 80 million Egyptians, but also perilous to regional peace and security."
Saturday, the day Mubarak was ousted, was also the 99th anniversary of the abdication of the last emperor of China, who stepped down on Feb 12, 1912, Reuters reported
Just found T's sources on China demonizing the protests. Very BAD China demonizing the protesters.
China issues first statement on Egypt protests
National Chinese newspaper China Daily wrote in its editorial Saturday that "it is hoped that the Egyptian Military, government, and people will make every effort to maintain social stability and restore normal order." The statement is the first official one to come out of Beijing, Reuters reported.
The editorial also warned that "if the current situation continues to deteriorate, it will not only be nightmarish for the 80 million Egyptians, but also perilous to regional peace and security."
Saturday, the day Mubarak was ousted, was also the 99th anniversary of the abdication of the last emperor of China, who stepped down on Feb 12, 1912, Reuters reported
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I know this is a little close to the wind, but I have been reading from a number of sources, analysis that could be very interesting, as long as it is discussed maturely. If it fails that test sadly I will have to pull the plug.
In summary, the analysis is that the wave of protests and revolutions occurring in 2011 mark the real end of the cold war, with these protests bringing down the US "Far Abroad" in the same way that the Protests of 1989 brought down the Soviet "Near Abroad". The main difference here is of course that the Soviets never had a Far Abroad" of their own and so the problems only manifested themselves when they were critical and right on the Soviets doorstep.
So is there a significant difference between a Near and Far Abroad in terms of its ability to impact a major power?
Can discontent in a Far Abroad be managed or sacrificed in order to ensure that it does not spread to the "Near Abroad"?
If not, where would you expect the protests to spread to over the short to medium term?
Think before you post!
I know this is a little close to the wind, but I have been reading from a number of sources, analysis that could be very interesting, as long as it is discussed maturely. If it fails that test sadly I will have to pull the plug.
In summary, the analysis is that the wave of protests and revolutions occurring in 2011 mark the real end of the cold war, with these protests bringing down the US "Far Abroad" in the same way that the Protests of 1989 brought down the Soviet "Near Abroad". The main difference here is of course that the Soviets never had a Far Abroad" of their own and so the problems only manifested themselves when they were critical and right on the Soviets doorstep.
So is there a significant difference between a Near and Far Abroad in terms of its ability to impact a major power?
Can discontent in a Far Abroad be managed or sacrificed in order to ensure that it does not spread to the "Near Abroad"?
If not, where would you expect the protests to spread to over the short to medium term?
Think before you post!
zoom
Junior Member
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I am not so sure that the protests we are seeing are bringing down the US "far abroad" as you put it.I view them more as economic revolutions because people's lives are being made ever more difficult by rising costs and high unemployment, as well as their growing discontent of their leaders and their lack of democracy too of course.The US will always have an influence in what happens with these countries because they have the biggest stick and the biggest carrot.Until some other country like China for instance can match or surpass the economic,political and military power of the US (and their allies) and overcome the advantages such as the $ being the global reserve currency,there will be no difference between Far Abroad or Near Abroad.No other country has that reach in the world so the US has nothing to fear at the moment.With that said i am a believer in the 'conspiracy theory' that the top 1% are running things and sovereign borders will be less important in future events.It's much more a fight between the rich and poor wherever they live and i think we will see that soon when there are social uprisings everywhere.My money is on Pakistan as the next country the protests will spread to.That will be very interesting as China will want to manage that particular one.
I am not so sure that the protests we are seeing are bringing down the US "far abroad" as you put it.I view them more as economic revolutions because people's lives are being made ever more difficult by rising costs and high unemployment, as well as their growing discontent of their leaders and their lack of democracy too of course.The US will always have an influence in what happens with these countries because they have the biggest stick and the biggest carrot.Until some other country like China for instance can match or surpass the economic,political and military power of the US (and their allies) and overcome the advantages such as the $ being the global reserve currency,there will be no difference between Far Abroad or Near Abroad.No other country has that reach in the world so the US has nothing to fear at the moment.With that said i am a believer in the 'conspiracy theory' that the top 1% are running things and sovereign borders will be less important in future events.It's much more a fight between the rich and poor wherever they live and i think we will see that soon when there are social uprisings everywhere.My money is on Pakistan as the next country the protests will spread to.That will be very interesting as China will want to manage that particular one.
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I'm right now still not too sure about the upcoming change in Egypt. In Tunesia, the falling of Ben Ali ment the regime falling. In Egypt, the symbol Mubarak has fallen, creating an enormous noise, but that noise partly blacks out the fact that the system Egypt is still pretty much intact. The old people still run the government and the public authorities. The top of the armed forces running the country have long been closely associated with the old regime. I wonder if these people will really breake with the system that brought so much benefit for them. The US pays a lot of money to the armed forces and a lot of officers are trained in the US. That brings some level of personal conectivity. So I think the US can and will assert some pressure in one direction or the other. I also think that in a different scenario, the leadership of the armed forces taking over running the country, could pretty well be called a coup d'état, actually.
While transition periods will most likely mean some trouble, I think in the med - long term, free & prospering civil societies will actually bring about favourable conditions for the US as well.
So far I can therefore not really see the US far abroad falling apart. Candidates for further turmoil are probably Algeria, Yemen, Syria and so on, as we're already seeing right now. In these countries there's not too much to loose anyway as regards far abroads. The important countries, like esp. Saudi Arabia are at least pretty wealthy alleviating some of the pressure that others feel.
The palestinian authorities already announced plans for new presidential & parliamentary elections in september. They seem to feel the heat already.
The one big challange that will arise out of the changes taking place is the renewed interest, from the arabian side especially, in solving the Palestinian / Israeli issue. Free civil societies in the Mid East & North Africa won't be silenced any more by authoritarien rulers and they will make their demands. But I think that actually presents a chance for the region.
I'm right now still not too sure about the upcoming change in Egypt. In Tunesia, the falling of Ben Ali ment the regime falling. In Egypt, the symbol Mubarak has fallen, creating an enormous noise, but that noise partly blacks out the fact that the system Egypt is still pretty much intact. The old people still run the government and the public authorities. The top of the armed forces running the country have long been closely associated with the old regime. I wonder if these people will really breake with the system that brought so much benefit for them. The US pays a lot of money to the armed forces and a lot of officers are trained in the US. That brings some level of personal conectivity. So I think the US can and will assert some pressure in one direction or the other. I also think that in a different scenario, the leadership of the armed forces taking over running the country, could pretty well be called a coup d'état, actually.
While transition periods will most likely mean some trouble, I think in the med - long term, free & prospering civil societies will actually bring about favourable conditions for the US as well.
So far I can therefore not really see the US far abroad falling apart. Candidates for further turmoil are probably Algeria, Yemen, Syria and so on, as we're already seeing right now. In these countries there's not too much to loose anyway as regards far abroads. The important countries, like esp. Saudi Arabia are at least pretty wealthy alleviating some of the pressure that others feel.
The palestinian authorities already announced plans for new presidential & parliamentary elections in september. They seem to feel the heat already.
The one big challange that will arise out of the changes taking place is the renewed interest, from the arabian side especially, in solving the Palestinian / Israeli issue. Free civil societies in the Mid East & North Africa won't be silenced any more by authoritarien rulers and they will make their demands. But I think that actually presents a chance for the region.