Crisis in Egypt & Middle East!

MwRYum

Major
Re: Major power shift about to happen due unrest in egypt

If the (next) egyptian government for somewhat reason redeploys to sinai Israel is deep doo doo, IAF can't pull the '67 trick again against such an advanced adversary with AEW&C capabilities. IDF will be outnumbered on the ground with egyptian forces alone, not even counting other possible arab combatants into the mix.

Lack of somewhat guranteed pre-emption must be a very frightening feeling for israelis.

That's why the Israeli keep nukes.

But whoever takes the power seat after Mubarak, Egypt still at sway from foreign powers for economic aids, the question would be if the US still sit on top or the other middle east nation (namely Iran or Saudi Arabia) takes over...but of course I put my money on US, after all the Egyptian military is very "Americanized" in terms of their major equipment and weapon systems.
 

akihh

New Member
Re: Major power shift about to happen due unrest in egypt

Mods note >> No need for another thread on Egypt. Discuss the Egyptian Crisis in this thread.

Sorry my bad, didn't notice this thread for some lame reason :p
 

akihh

New Member
Re: Major power shift about to happen due unrest in egypt

That's why the Israeli keep nukes.

But whoever takes the power seat after Mubarak, Egypt still at sway from foreign powers for economic aids, the question would be if the US still sit on top or the other middle east nation (namely Iran or Saudi Arabia) takes over...but of course I put my money on US, after all the Egyptian military is very "Americanized" in terms of their major equipment and weapon systems.

Well persia was a major US ally and almost all their hardware were from the west. Didn't made any difference when the revolution came, especially after ayatollahs got hold on power. Egypt has some serious infrastructure to keep it's goodies in shape, with the exception of air force.

About the nukes, those are definately a last resort and deterrence weapons. But if egypt rolls into sinai and stops before israeli homeland using nukes could be out of the question and in that situation israeli position would be very vulnerable as it was before six day war.

Ifs and ifs. Let's hope egyptians just focus on their own problems.
 

akihh

New Member
Re: Major power shift about to happen due unrest in egypt

IDF has
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publicly that's woefully inequipped to deal with possible egyptian threat. Whatever the outcome this is a lose-lose position for Israel as they have to increase defence spending.
 

jantxv

New Member
Re: Crisis in Egypt!

All in all, the Egyptian revolution seems to be a fairly civil affair, considering other past revolutions. The Army has maintained stellar discipline, and although there has been some deaths, the government has shown amazing restraint towards their fellow citizens.

Mubarak has conceded this is his last term and it looks like his son will be not replacing him. He also appointed a vice president, a first.

Additionally the Egyptian government made these concessions, promised to be made by the 1st week this March;

-freedom of the press
-to release those detained since anti-government protests began
-to lift the country's hated emergency laws
-to set up a committee of judiciary and political figures to study proposed constitutional amendments that would allow more candidates to run for president
-impose term limits on the presidency
-not to harass those participating in the anti-government protests
-not to hamper freedom of press
-not to interfere with text messaging and Internet.

The following propaganda video provides excellent context and helps demonstrate the power of Social Media at the start of the Egyptian revolution.

[video=youtube;DgS6s04PpgM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgS6s04PpgM&feature=related[/video]
 
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MwRYum

Major
Re: Major power shift about to happen due unrest in egypt

Well persia was a major US ally and almost all their hardware were from the west. Didn't made any difference when the revolution came, especially after ayatollahs got hold on power. Egypt has some serious infrastructure to keep it's goodies in shape, with the exception of air force.

About the nukes, those are definately a last resort and deterrence weapons. But if egypt rolls into sinai and stops before israeli homeland using nukes could be out of the question and in that situation israeli position would be very vulnerable as it was before six day war.

Ifs and ifs. Let's hope egyptians just focus on their own problems.

Well, Iran have oil and that gives them some sway at things or sort, but the lesson with Iran is that a theoretic regime doesn't suit for a modern nation - unless you want to regress things to the dark ages like the Taliban. Egypt on the other hand have no such card to play, weak in industrial base and quite reliant on US financial aid.

The background and under current that drive the popular revolt is still secular in color, even the Muslim Brotherhood - many of the terrorist organizations in the region spawn from it - calls for a peaceful transition - for now, at least. Yet, up till now the revolt has no clear leader or "flag bearer" of sort...bring down Mubarak is one thing, but "to replace him with who" is another thing entirely, and to this day there's no coalition formed amongst the opposition. In such case, even an early general election is called for right now, Mubarak's party can still be a force to reckon with - to put it short, even after stepping down he'll still in play, not on the front stage that is.

But the harder impact to the global stage would be the safety of the Suez Canal. Whoever comes into power needs to assure the continual operation of the Suez Canal and its access by US Navy to get the necessary foreign support.
 

delft

Brigadier
Re: Crisis in Egypt!

MwRYum wrote:

* Egypt on the other hand have no such card to play, weak in industrial base and quite reliant on US financial aid.

* But the harder impact to the global stage would be the safety of the Suez Canal. Whoever comes into power needs to assure the continual operation of the Suez Canal and its access by US Navy to get the necessary foreign support.

The Suez canal is one of the most important sources of income for Egypt. So if Israel doesn't attacks the canal will remain open. Surely the US doesn't need its navy to constrain Israel?
 

MwRYum

Major
Re: Crisis in Egypt!

The Suez canal is one of the most important sources of income for Egypt. So if Israel doesn't attacks the canal will remain open. Surely the US doesn't need its navy to constrain Israel?

If things soured into a civil war then very likely it won't, until things blow over...not to mention current Israeli government is more of a hardline one, and its popular opinion lean on the "be tough" side of things, hard to guarantee Israeli won't preempt...and US is more reined by Israel then the other way round.

If the Suez Canal is out, sea route between Asia and Europe will suffer, not good for the current economy.
 

delft

Brigadier
Re: Crisis in Egypt!

I already lived through two periods in which the canal was closed, the second time for many years. The canal is very important to Europe. The Europeans must impress on the US that security for Europe means that the US control Israel. If they can't than they are unfit to own NATO.
 
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