Chinese Soft Power and Media Discussion and Updates

tonyget

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By intimidating them into submission with your hard power.

What are you going to do?Nuke every country who doesn't like you?
What is this soft crap about people liking your or not? That's nonsense. It's about whether their interests conflict with yours and whether they yield in that case. And depending on the offense, yes, you strike them if they insist on their interests over yours (such as in a territorial dispute).

Every country wants other countries like or be friendly with it. China is no exception,Chinese gov is doing everything to improve it's image around the global,cannot see it?

Because you think wrong. You engage with their leadership and you use your leverage (carrot and stick) to get them to behave on your terms. Have you not been watching world politics at all??

In most of countries,leadership can not totally ignore public sentiment. If the public of that country have resentment against you,then the new leader will likely turn against you
You have that confused with hard power. Hard power gives your passport and your people special powers everywhere. If a problem arises and you take out a powerful passport, the country you are visiting will solve the issue with expedited urgency in order to not offend you and your embassy.

Oh really?You're telling me that how citizens of different country be treated around the global,is an accurate reflection of the hard power of that country?If that is true,then I guess Chinese hard power is among the weakest.
That doesn't stop people from boycotting Samsung and Lotte either. Free show, why not?

Again,people in China still watch Korean/Japanese/American/Thai etc content via non official channel. If cultural content from a country is attractive,people will attracted to it. Regardless of that country's political position or hard power.
Totally related. This shows that soft "power" cannot determine anything. It is hard power that will produce the solution.

Are you going to solve every issue with navy?I don't think so,no country will or can do it this way.
What risk? Getting ripped off? China is the number 2 tourist destination in the world. That's how you count "soft power"? LOL China wins again. What's the only country with higher tourism? It's the US, number 1 in hard power. Furthering my point that hard power spills over to your definition of soft "power." What about Thai tourism?

The risk of being kidnapped. But it wouldn't deter Thai drama fans from visiting the country
They go to get plastic surgery. Koreans visit China and study in China all the same. You say we get poorly treated? I've been to Korea (to visit an ex, NOT for the drama) and have felt no such thing. This is the difference you get from real life experience and internet trolling.

So you are the only Chinese who visited Korea not for cosmetic surgery?
What, because you saw some Chinese forum talk about Korean dramas so that's worship? LOL What about all the Chinese people who make fun of Koreans for sissy follower culture? We don't count? LOL Koreans visit China and study in China too. If they don't reciprocate, we dry their tourism by government order. Hard power.

It's just like religion,you don't believe it does not stop more Chinese people becoming a believer
First of all, is this for me? Cus if it is, you should have the courage to tag me so I don't accidentally miss it. But maybe that's what you wanted ;) Secondly, that's a stupid unhinged question. Compared to whom? It is undeniable that China is at least the second most powerful country in the world but we work hard to become the first and then to maintain the first.

There you go with your soft-flaccid-"power"-wahh-wahh-everybody-please-like-me crap again. We make the reality. Other people's imaginary worlds are not our concern. As a matter of opposite fact, much of China's challenge today is that other Western countries percieve too well China's rising power. We'd like to stay under the radar a little longer but unfortunately, it's rather like an elephant trying to stay covered under a hankerchief now.

Chinese gov was/is working hard for China to be liked around the global,also trying to improve perception of China among foreign people,not so sucess though. They are doing this,because we are living in a globalized world now,unless you can/want completely isolate yourself from the outside world like Qing dynasty,others perception about you matters.
Just stating it doesn't make it true. I've proven again and again that in general, it does, but it can be distorted by active suppression from a country with more hard power, like the US.

No It doesn't. Chinese people know it better than anyone else
So you're saying they don't have enough force AKA hard power yet. In other words, it's a hard power issue. Congratulations on the first non-stupid thing you said.

I'm saying China or any country will not use force to do such thing,regardless the level hard power.
In all of history, that has not happened. The loser of a war respects and submits to the winner unless and until the loser can defeat him in return. That is an accurate summary of human history. And in your fantasy mind, soft power is somehow the only way, LOL

No country will declare war on other country,simply for not earning enough respect. The threshold for initiating a war is never that low
Which is why he's doing the tech drive, nuclear buildup, military buildup, fighting trade wars, sending out wolf warrior diplomats, etc... right? Cus soft "power" is the only way. I'm waiting for Xi's cartoon/gaming/drama buildup LOLOL

It's already happening for a while now,didn't you know that? Too bad
And I will answer the same again. This is not what you think it is. To the CCP, soft "power" simply means to ask its citizens to behave in a more civilized less embarrassing manor. It has nothing to do with dramas/games/etc... which the CCP curbs. At the national level, the CCP focuses on technology, economy, and military, all pillars of hard power. At the diplomatic level, we use wolf warriors.
Not in the way you think of it. Their definition is improved civility and personal behavior, not some drama culture charm offensive. China has always stressed hard power and cooperation through mutual interest. That is the only way to make any meaningful progress.

Never read statement from the gov do you?The CCP explicitly linked soft power to cultural products,go search XinHua articles on this topic,see what's CCP's definition. It's funny that you didn't even pay attention to Chinese gov's policy yet love to claim you know everything about them.
Right, just because you can't debate well, doesn't mean it's not important and you can just spit up old defeated points over and over again.

Attack me personally doesn't make your points more solid.
This is for your self-reflection to become less deluded and better at logical debate.

Emm, more personally attack. Whatever, I don't care
It is actually the biggest exception in the world and that fact is also the main source of horror for the West.

Wow,shocking. Even the most pro-CCP people I have seen,do not dare to claim that CCP is god/don't make any mistake like all mortal people. You are on a whole different level
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
What are you going to do?Nuke every country who doesn't like you?
I seriously can't tell if you're actually this simple-minded or if you're just trying to not lose an argument by delaying the inevitable.

1. "Like" has no meaning. It's something that weak people keep saying because they need to feel safe and fear conflict. It's whether or not another country aligns itself with you and bends to your will that is important.

2. No, you don't nuke them. Are you unaware of all of the things that can be done before a nuclear escalation? Economic sanctions, tech embargo, arming the enemies and rivals of the nation, starting territorial disputes (if applicable) with them or joining their neighbors in territorial disputes against them, getting them left behind in development because you support the economy of all the countries around them but not them. This is the real world, not some brain-dead "What can you do? Nuke?"
Every country wants other countries like or be friendly with it. China is no exception,Chinese gov is doing everything to improve it's image around the global,cannot see it?
I can see it. China is and will be more respected and admired because other countries see this nation defeating the US and becoming the most powerful nation of the future and they want to be aligned with the winner. NOT by making drama/tourism/please like me attempts.
In most of countries,leadership can not totally ignore public sentiment. If the public of that country have resentment against you,then the new leader will likely turn against you
Yes, and this usually is influenced by the management of the country, NOT because the leader was too mean to a country that produces really cool cartoons and dramas so all their fans got mad at him. That has literally never happened or come close to happening in the history of mankind.
Oh really?You're telling me that how citizens of different country be treated around the global,is an accurate reflection of the hard power of that country?If that is true,then I guess Chinese hard power is among the weakest.
Sometimes it is and sometimes not. When it isn't, it is usually due to active interference by a country with greater hard power. In the natural order, the strongest country is the most respected and the second country is commands secondary respect. But not if the strongest country makes it a point that respecting the rival is disrespecting him. Thus, hard power determines everything again.
Again,people in China still watch Korean/Japanese/American/Thai etc content via non official channel. If cultural content from a country is attractive,people will attracted to it. Regardless of that country's political position or hard power.
Look at you getting your panties in a bunch over people watching some free TV LOL. Everybody watches TV from everybody else, but when interests clash, nobody cares what entertainment you make; they will use hard power to get their goals reached before yours.
Are you going to solve every issue with navy?I don't think so,no country will or can do it this way.
No. That was just one example, which should be obvious to everyone with a normal IQ. Economic coercion, technological sanction, political attack, all those happen before military escalation. This is how mighty countries impose their interests in all of human history.
The risk of being kidnapped. But it wouldn't deter Thai drama fans from visiting the country
Woooww, you are really stretching now LOL. Get some Chinese tourist Thai kidnapping statistics and we'll talk. As far as I'm concerned, you're just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks now. By your logic, the risk of getting commie-brainwashed and abducted by the secret police won't deter all those China fans from visiting China every year, the second most-visited country in the world after the US.
So you are the only Chinese who visited Korea not for cosmetic surgery?
What a stupid question. Many Chinese people visit Korea just for the plastic surgery. I'm saying to you that in the real world, I had no such experience as your imaginary one where I was treated badly in Korea for being Chinese. And in the real world, Chinese tourism is second only to the US. So every time you make up little stories about Chinese people touring a small country, it's just a moot point. Big data says China dominates the countries with less hard power again.
It's just like religion,you don't believe it does not stop more Chinese people becoming a believer
Of what? Your online foreign web trolling vs my real life experience? LOL My mom watches K-drama and so does my wife. They don't give a hoot about Korea and would never side with it in any conflict with China. Thanks for the free flicks, tourism is transactional, but when it comes down to it, we're Chinese and it's stupid to think otherwise. I don't understand why you think if someone watches a TV show or visits a place, they worship it, rather than patronizing it as an equal transaction or even looking at the place as a place of service to them, the customer. It's wrong, but if this is your definition, then China is worshipped secondly to the US by tourist numbers and our hard power is second to the US, so it supports my point, not yours. I might think something is cool and fun but if they offend China, I'm dropping all my support towards them like a rock.
Chinese gov was/is working hard for China to be liked around the global,also trying to improve perception of China among foreign people,not so sucess though.
China was getting embarassed because of Chinese tourists spitting in public, skipping lines, climbing statues, sleeping in the hotel lobby picking thier feet, etc... This embarassment needs to stop. After that, it's all hard power.
They are doing this,because we are living in a globalized world now,unless you can/want completely isolate yourself from the outside world like Qing dynasty,others perception about you matters.
It changes based on your hard power.
No It doesn't.
It doesn't? LOLOL So American active suppression with its hard power cannot influence how other treat American rivals? You sure?
Chinese people know it better than anyone else
I'm Chinese and you're not. Thanks for capitulating again.
I'm saying China or any country will not use force to do such thing,regardless the level hard power.
Force isn't the only hard power, once again, for the extremely slow-minded. Economic sanctions, political/tech war are all hard power. You don't have to strike a country with your military if you can make them spend the next few decades watching themselves get left back and turned into the retard of the region because everyone else can trade with you but they can't.
No country will declare war on other country,simply for not earning enough respect. The threshold for initiating a war is never that low
Correct. War is declared for conflicting interests, something soft "power" can never solve. It is not declared because some crybabies want to be liked but were not liked.
It's already happening for a while now,didn't you know that? Too bad
I know the hard power drive is happening for a while. I know they banned certain gaming for a while. What do you think is happening? Post some links. Your debate skill is too bad.
Never read statement from the gov do you?The CCP explicitly linked soft power to cultural products,go search XinHua articles on this topic,see what's CCP's definition. It's funny that you didn't even pay attention to Chinese gov's policy yet love to claim you know everything about them.
No, you post whatever you think it is and we'll take it from there. I'm not searching for anything.
Attack me personally doesn't make your points more solid.
I couldn't help it because it's hard to imagine an adult functioning at this mental level. My points are solid because they logically defeat yours, not for any personal reason.
Emm, more personally attack. Whatever, I don't care
Hey, I'm just pointing out how ironic it is that you wanted to say something about someone else but it was a perfect criticism of yourself!
Wow,shocking.
Lots of things will be shocking in this world to someone who thinks that the false concept of "soft power" is only way to achieve anything.
Even the most pro-CCP people I have seen,do not dare to claim that CCP is god/don't make any mistake like all mortal people.
The exception is not that they never hit setbacks but that they accomplish basically all of their goals once the CCP sets its power to it. If I had to pick one mistake now, I'd say it's that they didn't clarify enough on the meaning when they use "soft power" so it's bringing much confusion to the less mentally-adept people.
You are on a whole different level
Yes, I'm famous here for debating trolls to death. You just found that out?
 
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TK3600

Major
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So how did you make those good schools and that easy living? Hard power from economy.

And both forms are hard power because nobody gives it to you; you need to be higher tech to steal this information. Don't think that anything non-violent is soft.

I don't even see the relevence to this conversation.

Religion itself is not soft power; that's why they kill each other instead of convert each other by debate and culture. Today the Pope has no power; he could get the Vatican sanctioned or invaded if he pissed off the wrong people. That's the full extent.

No, you are stuck in the mindset that if it wasn't violent, then it's soft power. Actually, it is a nonviolent extension of hard power if it were useless without hard power.

Cus the US is still overall more powerful. It has more sanctioning power; it has a global military, but also, change is hard. Until Chinese hard power dwarves American hard power, Europeans are used to following American hard power.

No, it's the opposite. Hard power has no limit. With technology, one can defeat all. If you can beat everyone, you win no matter what kind of asshole you are. The limit is purely with the concept of "soft power." It can literally do nothing without hard power and whatever it gets done is actually due to the hard power behind it.

In an imaginary world, it has use. So its use is imaginary. In the real world, it's all hard power.

Hey, it happened. Ace students get turned into retard gaming zombies. But this is not charm; this is akin to slipping poison into someone's drink, except you have to drink more. Certainly not soft power or persuasion.

Nope, that's not soft power. That is the allure that dominant hard power brings coupled with the hard power of engineering skills.
Hard power can convert into soft powet and convert back to hard power. It is possible to be strong and feared, leading to containment. A country with both hard power and soft will get away with more things than one without.

You live in a fantasy where you hard infinite hard power and make everyone submit to your will. That is not reality. Nobody is that strong. Not yet at least. Having soft power helps accumulate hard power so one day you actually can roll over rest of the world.

You missed the point on the religion. Pope is useless today but I used pope of the past to show soft power exist. This brings me to another point "why the fuck do you need people to like you". Because the alternative is people dislike you and that causes problem. Pope of the past excommunicate people, causing unrest inside country. It is example of converting soft power into hard.

Sure, if you want to think soft power as enabling "non-violent extention of hard power" if that helps you understand sure. It is not wrong because hard power helps soft power use. It is sort of like a business brand, partially backed by hard product power but not completely. When two product of equal cost and quality competes the one with better brand wins.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
Hard power can convert into soft powet and convert back to hard power. It is possible to be strong and feared, leading to containment. A country with both hard power and soft will get away with more things than one without.
That's not hard power converting into soft power; that's hard power extending itself in a non-violent way. Non-violent does not mean soft, once again.
You live in a fantasy where you hard infinite hard power and make everyone submit to your will. That is not reality. Nobody is that strong. Not yet at least. Having soft power helps accumulate hard power so one day you actually can roll over rest of the world.
Except soft power does not exist and in this real world, actually countries like the US beat the shit out of countries like Japan and Germany and made them submit to American will. Win a world war and you rule with hard power. That's reality. Anything else is fantasy.
You missed the point on the religion. Pope is useless today but I used pope of the past to show soft power exist.
1. Today is not the past.
2. Conning people with religion is hard power; trickery, chicanery require an intelligence that is hard power and not some beggar's charm. They knelt to him because they thought the Pope had the hard power of God.
This brings me to another point "why the fuck do you need people to like you". Because the alternative is people dislike you and that causes problem.
No, there is a difference between trying to act cute and charming getting people to "like" you as a goal, vs. people naturally liking you because you are the winner and they want to be with the winner. The former is the misconcept of soft power and the latter is the resonating effect of hard power. Don't do things to be liked; do things for your own benefit and you will be liked for your strength, but you are just being you without care of what others things. This is the correct path. Chasing others' adoration is a self-detrimental fool's errand.
Pope of the past excommunicate people, causing unrest inside country. It is example of converting soft power into hard.
He tricked people into thinking he wields the power of God. He made them think he had that level of hard power. Tricksters have their own brand of hard power too and the Pope is trickster king.
Sure, if you want to think soft power as enabling "non-violent extention of hard power" if that helps you understand sure.
No, they are different. You are confusing non-violent extensions of hard power with non-existant soft power and unfortunately, it can't help you understand anything. It just confuses you into the very wrong mistake that anything non-violent is soft power. That's a mistake on the same level as thinking that your words persuaded someone when you gave him an order with a gun pointed to his head.
It is not wrong because hard power helps soft power use. It is sort of like a business brand, partially backed by hard product power but not completely. When two product of equal cost and quality competes the one with better brand wins.
No, it is in fact wrong. What is even your definition of "soft power" and "hard power"? I think you should start here to untangle your confusion.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
@tonyget I think I've found a major point of difference in how we perceive things and that is why I initially could not at all understand why you are jumping up and down about cultural worship and fake soft power just because Chinese people watch Thai/Korean shows and visit Thailand/Korea. You have a beta mentality that makes you become your surroundings wherever you go while most people including myself have an alpha mentality where our identities are actually unthreatened by anything we experience. When you visit a place, you view yourself as some truth-seeking pilgrim humbly walking through a superior land of wisdom. When, I visit a place, I do it like an American visits Mexico, which is exactly how Chinese people view our trips to Southeast Asia. I have been to many countries and watched TV shows from all over the world and never have I ever once felt admiration or worship towards anything than my own country and culture. My mother used to watch Korean Dramas every night and she was so far from worshipping Korean culture that when I got a Korean girlfriend, she told me I'm too good for any Korean; I must marry and date Chinese. That's why in my world, I just could not connect why you thought watching dramas and tourism translate into worship when they are just normal things that people with spare income do. Now I realize that it's because our minds are totally wired in different ways so that the same thing can have vastly different effects on different people. For example:

Watch an anime
Mentally weak people: Wowww, Japan is so cool! I'd love to go there and experience such a majestic culture! The art is so beautiful and the people are so kind! It'd be an honor to be amongst them!
Mentally strong people: Eh, that was a fun story.

Watch a K-drama
Mentally weak people: Oh my gosh, Koreans are so cool! Korean culture is so exciting and dramatic! I wish I could experience dynamic Korea! I want to listen to more Korean music and get emersed in Korean things! I think I'll go buy so K-Pop posters and put them in my room and dress like a Korean!
Mentally strong people: LOLOL Look at those nutjobs crying and screaming over regular shit. Hilarious. Funny people; I like.

Visit Thailand
Mentally weak people: Suwatika! The place is gorgeous with all the gold and the lively street culture! Even if I get kidnapped, it's worth it just to be here humbled by its beauty! I wish I were Thai!
Mentally strong people: That was very good seafood. Now then, I sure as hell didn't come all the way out here to take a pic with an elephant so... let's get to business! Remember! No matter how good they look, don't forget to check for the adam's apple!

In China, there will be strong-minded and weak-minded people. The latter won't make a difference anyway because they don't have the determination to build hard power.
 

zhangjim

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Which of these games do you hope will be good?

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Don't have any expectations.
The current game approval system is garbage. The government still fantasizes that it can create a "politically safe" and excellent game in the market through strict censorship.

But we all know that's impossible.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Don't have any expectations.
The current game approval system is garbage. The government still fantasizes that it can create a "politically safe" and excellent game in the market through strict censorship.

But we all know that's impossible.
there's plenty of non-political games though. is Minecraft or Fappy Bird particularly political? What about Dyson Sphere Project?
 

TK3600

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Conning people's mind is not hard power. It has nothing to do with having money and a big stick. Influencing people's opinion matter. That is why China put some effort there. You don't like that do not mean every country including China think the same.
 
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