Chinese Soft Power and Media Discussion and Updates

TK3600

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Both money and political leverage are hard power. How much you translate one into the other does not leave the realm of hard power.
Bribing is not the only way to gain political leverage, and political leverage exists in hard and soft form. Coercing a politician with threat is hard leverage. Making sure they all go to your country for school and think like you is soft form.
They are both hard power; nether technology nor spying counts as "charming." This is an example of failure to use resources (hard power) to build further hard power.
Again, spy existing in both forms. Assassinating someone like Mossad is hard form. Having passive information network to optimize strategy is soft form.
Ideology is fake and doesn't matter. It's all about hard power alignment. Saudis have a monarchy and they stone women to death for cheating. Russians have a democratically-elected leader. Until quite recently, the US loved the Saudis and hated the Russians.
Ideology is not the ultimate factor like I said, but it presents a barrier. It might be fake but it absolutely matters. France allied with Ottoman despite religious difference is a real politik example, but getting to operate like that is not always the case. The French example was seen as an outlier at the time for instance. Not every government is as rational as China. Rationality needs to be built for not there by default.

Well, religions depended on hard power too. Muslims and Christians tried to kill each other and if one succeeded, the other would not exist. Christians and Muslims didn't peacefully or successfully try to convert each other, hence the irrelevence of soft "power."
The pope don't need to march the army on Paris to threaten French king. He could make his rule looks illegitimate and needs much more hard power to compensate soft power. You really need to study history of how much power pope had and it is not because he has military base on every country in Europe. You can argue sufficient hard power compensate for soft power but you cannot deny soft power made a difference. You are stuck in the mind set that soft power can only gained at cost of hard power and you prefer hard power. That is not true. Soft power can feed back into hard power. Hard power can help create soft power.
Yeah, because if America had the power to economically sanction and destroy the EU, the EU must follow no matter what.
In terms of economy China has far more influence. Why is EU not China's dog? Why are they not going to US to scold them for not being socialist?
Then you need to analyze the difference between America's forced allies and those 2 countries, because American hard power and your supposed "soft power" is the constant, not the variable. The country is the variable to be considered. North Korea I can explain easily; Chinese hard power kicked American hard power out in the Korean War.
That is exactly the point. There is a limit to hard power. You can't fight everyone at once. There needs to be some positive influence because coercing everyone by force is not practical.
Only if you take it to unrealistic extremes (ie. what if you had the best military but screamed at everyone like a gorilla and cursed at them all day long?). In the real world, it doesn't matter.
Great, at least you are admitting soft power has tiny tiny bit of use so we are getting somewhere.
Anime has no power... except maybe to poison your enemy's kids away from studying but it hits home even harder.
Funny you say that. You are giving it more credit than I did.:p
 

Quan8410

Junior Member
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Soft power is like when people wants to buy luxury cars, they will buy Hongqi, Nio, not Mercedes or BMW. When they wants to buy high end phones, they want to buy Huawei or Oppo, not Iphone. When they want entertainment, they seek Chinese movies and donghua, not Us movies and Japanese anime. People will all want to flock to China like they flock to London, New York. Your success story become the dream of the world, like the world had once believe in "American Dream".
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
Bribing is not the only way to gain political leverage, and political leverage exists in hard and soft form. Coercing a politician with threat is hard leverage. Making sure they all go to your country for school and think like you is soft form.
So how did you make those good schools and that easy living? Hard power from economy.
Again, spy existing in both forms. Assassinating someone like Mossad is hard form. Having passive information network to optimize strategy is soft form.
And both forms are hard power because nobody gives it to you; you need to be higher tech to steal this information. Don't think that anything non-violent is soft.
Ideology is not the ultimate factor like I said, but it presents a barrier. It might be fake but it absolutely matters. France allied with Ottoman despite religious difference is a real politik example, but getting to operate like that is not always the case. The French example was seen as an outlier at the time for instance. Not every government is as rational as China. Rationality needs to be built for not there by default.
I don't even see the relevence to this conversation.
The pope don't need to march the army on Paris to threaten French king. He could make his rule looks illegitimate and needs much more hard power to compensate soft power. You really need to study history of how much power pope had and it is not because he has military base on every country in Europe. You can argue sufficient hard power compensate for soft power but you cannot deny soft power made a difference.
Religion itself is not soft power; that's why they kill each other instead of convert each other by debate and culture. Today the Pope has no power; he could get the Vatican sanctioned or invaded if he pissed off the wrong people. That's the full extent.
You are stuck in the mind set that soft power can only gained at cost of hard power and you prefer hard power. That is not true. Soft power can feed back into hard power. Hard power can help create soft power.
No, you are stuck in the mindset that if it wasn't violent, then it's soft power. Actually, it is a nonviolent extension of hard power if it were useless without hard power.
In terms of economy China has far more influence. Why is EU not China's dog? Why are they not going to US to scold them for not being socialist?
Cus the US is still overall more powerful. It has more sanctioning power; it has a global military, but also, change is hard. Until Chinese hard power dwarves American hard power, Europeans are used to following American hard power.
That is exactly the point. There is a limit to hard power. You can't fight everyone at once. There needs to be some positive influence because coercing everyone by force is not practical.
No, it's the opposite. Hard power has no limit. With technology, one can defeat all. If you can beat everyone, you win no matter what kind of asshole you are. The limit is purely with the concept of "soft power." It can literally do nothing without hard power and whatever it gets done is actually due to the hard power behind it.
Great, at least you are admitting soft power has tiny tiny bit of use so we are getting somewhere.
In an imaginary world, it has use. So its use is imaginary. In the real world, it's all hard power.
Funny you say that. You are giving it more credit than I did.:p
Hey, it happened. Ace students get turned into retard gaming zombies. But this is not charm; this is akin to slipping poison into someone's drink, except you have to drink more. Certainly not soft power or persuasion.
Soft power is like when people wants to buy luxury cars, they will buy Hongqi, Nio, not Mercedes or BMW. When they wants to buy high end phones, they want to buy Huawei or Oppo, not Iphone. When they want entertainment, they seek Chinese movies and donghua, not Us movies and Japanese anime. People will all want to flock to China like they flock to London, New York. Your success story become the dream of the world, like the world had once believe in "American Dream".
Nope, that's not soft power. That is the allure that dominant hard power brings coupled with the hard power of engineering skills.
 

Serb

Junior Member
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China has the best online literature in the whole world right now, I'm talking about webnovels. Especially for young adults, they are in my opinion better than Japanese and Korean works currently.

Anyone who reads Japanese light novels today can say that they are like on a braindead level of simplicity. Even for teens, that is too low-level. Korean are a bit better, but overall i think Chinese are the best online novels.

Daoist Gu is the best online novel I've ever read in my life. There is a lot of videos about this novel on YouTube, so search if you are interested.

And Wuxia can also compete with the Western works even in the adult genre.

Those Chinese webnovels also translate quite well into manhua, Chinese comics, but they don't translate well into Anime, because the animation is somehow lacking in China.

I can say that in writing aspect, Chinese works are way, way better than Japanese ones, it was like this even in 2015, not to mention now, but Japanese subpar stories get better animations, hence why Japanese anime is so much more popular than Chinese globally.

I don't know what's going on, but Chinese animation has some kind of problem I can't pinpoint. If China improves animation, it would overtake Japan even in the animated space.

I've read those kinds of stories since my teen days, for a decade or more, so I know what I'm talking about in this space.

However, written works can never come close to anime, because teens are lazy to read, the animation is key for China to improve.

Also, regarding soft power, i started loving China half because of those novels, and half because they are geopolitically close to my country. So, it works.
 

Beihuxiang

New Member
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I understand this is a military forum but it feels like way too much emphasis and debate is being put on if soft power is actually real/useful and not enough on actually showcasing Chinese art/animation/tv/games, unlike say the semiconductor news thread. For example, Wuthering Waves is coming out soon. Tower of Fantasy got a major update. Genshin is the third highest grossing mobile game of all time after pubg and HoK. Scissor Seven season 4 is also in the works. Lemon8 is rising along with Temu and Shein. The Knockout slaps. Etc.
 

FairAndUnbiased

Brigadier
Registered Member
China has the best online literature in the whole world right now, I'm talking about webnovels. Especially for young adults, they are in my opinion better than Japanese and Korean works currently.

Anyone who reads Japanese light novels today can say that they are like on a braindead level of simplicity. Even for teens, that is too low-level. Korean are a bit better, but overall i think Chinese are the best online novels.

Daoist Gu is the best online novel I've ever read in my life. There is a lot of videos about this novel on YouTube, so search if you are interested.

And Wuxia can also compete with the Western works even in the adult genre.

Those Chinese webnovels also translate quite well into manhua, Chinese comics, but they don't translate well into Anime, because the animation is somehow lacking in China.

I can say that in writing aspect, Chinese works are way, way better than Japanese ones, it was like this even in 2015, not to mention now, but Japanese subpar stories get better animations, hence why Japanese anime is so much more popular than Chinese globally.

I don't know what's going on, but Chinese animation has some kind of problem I can't pinpoint. If China improves animation, it would overtake Japan even in the animated space.

I've read those kinds of stories since my teen days, for a decade or more, so I know what I'm talking about in this space.

However, written works can never come close to anime, because teens are lazy to read, the animation is key for China to improve.

Also, regarding soft power, i started loving China half because of those novels, and half because they are geopolitically close to my country. So, it works.
The most beautiful animation I've seen is 风灵玉秀 and 拾忆长安, literally look like animation from a classical watercolor. It's a slightly different style than Japanese animation but looks amazing for medieval and Kung Fu themed works.
 

ficker22

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The most beautiful animation I've seen is 风灵玉秀 and 拾忆长安, literally look like animation from a classical watercolor. It's a slightly different style than Japanese animation but looks amazing for medieval and Kung Fu themed works.


Bro I dig 风灵玉秀, as I understood it was first a indie project but got more traction when the positive reception was pouring in, also it's Wuxia which is a very high potential genre. Really happy to see Season two.

雾山五行 is also catering to the chinese ink style, wuxia theme, very anticipating season 2 2023.

For the watercolour, chinese painting looks, I also enjoyed 大护法, except the scenes underground, but the authorities didn't like it that much, Global Times shit talked it once on twitter.

There is also Link Click, which is a completely different style but very high quality animation and good story which does not refer to traditional elements.
 
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sunnymaxi

Major
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Those Chinese webnovels also translate quite well into manhua, Chinese comics, but they don't translate well into Anime, because the animation is somehow lacking in China.

I can say that in writing aspect, Chinese works are way, way better than Japanese ones, it was like this even in 2015, not to mention now, but Japanese subpar stories get better animations, hence why Japanese anime is so much more popular than Chinese globally.

I don't know what's going on, but Chinese animation has some kind of problem I can't pinpoint. If China improves animation, it would overtake Japan even in the animated space.
The most beautiful animation I've seen is 风灵玉秀 and 拾忆长安, literally look like animation from a classical watercolor. It's a slightly different style than Japanese animation but looks amazing for medieval and Kung Fu themed works.
Chinese anime quality is no longer an issue.

even Nikkei accepted with whole heart.

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TOKYO -- The animation industry is undergoing seismic changes as works from Chinese studios have caught the eye of Netflix and other streaming platforms. The shift has not gone unnoticed by Japanese animation studios, who have virtually dominated the global market in recent years but are now scrambling to deal with serious competition.

Chinese studios "have been improving over the past few years and are now able to create original content," says Shizuka Kurosaki, a producer at Aniplex, a Tokyo-based anime planning and production company of Sony Group.

A Chinese anime series titled "The Founder of Diabolism" has become a global hit, amassing more than 11 billion views worldwide. Especially popular with women, the series topped the chart on MyAnimeList, a global anime and manga social networking site.

Anime studios in China, which in the past have mainly produced works outsourced by Japanese makers, are starting to release original products, gaining a large fan base in China and even in Japan.

The popularity of Chinese and other countries' anime may be due in part to mastery of three-dimensional computer graphics (CG), allowing studios to quickly create lifelike characters and realistic backgrounds.

Much Japanese anime uses 2D celluloid pictures, in which character movements are painstakingly created by hand, though the use of CG is also prevalent in Japan. "The Founder of Diabolism" resembles a 2D production but includes many scenes that employ 3D, according to industry insiders. "Chinese studios are superior [to Japanese] in certain ways in terms of background art and 3D technology," Kurosaki said.

In the global anime sector, 3D computer graphics are now mainstream, as exemplified by U.S.-based Pixar Animation Studios, which released 3D computer-animated movies such as "Toy Story" in the mid-1990s and more recently "Frozen."


"Arcane" took over top place on Netflix, dethroning the long-running "Squid Game." (Image courtesy of Netflix)
In China, 3D CG has developed due partly to the abundance of subcontractors that work on Japanese games, anime and other digital content. Many Chinese internet giants such as Tencent have invested large sums in the anime sector, helping drive production of high-quality, original content.
 

FairAndUnbiased

Brigadier
Registered Member
Bro I dig 风灵玉秀, as I understood it was first a indie project but got more traction when the positive reception was came pouring in, also it's Wuxia which is a very high potential genre. Really happy to see Season two.

Also 五山五elements is also catering to the chinese ink style, wuxia theme, also very anticipating season 2 2023.

For the watercolour, chinese painting looks, I also enjoyed 大护法, except the scenes underground, but the authorities didn't like it that much, Global Times shit talked it once one twitter.
Thanks for the recommendations.

Chinese anime quality is no longer an issue.

even Nikkie accepted with whole hearted.

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TOKYO -- The animation industry is undergoing seismic changes as works from Chinese studios have caught the eye of Netflix and other streaming platforms. The shift has not gone unnoticed by Japanese animation studios, who have virtually dominated the global market in recent years but are now scrambling to deal with serious competition.

Chinese studios "have been improving over the past few years and are now able to create original content," says Shizuka Kurosaki, a producer at Aniplex, a Tokyo-based anime planning and production company of Sony Group.

A Chinese anime series titled "The Founder of Diabolism" has become a global hit, amassing more than 11 billion views worldwide. Especially popular with women, the series topped the chart on MyAnimeList, a global anime and manga social networking site.

Anime studios in China, which in the past have mainly produced works outsourced by Japanese makers, are starting to release original products, gaining a large fan base in China and even in Japan.

The popularity of Chinese and other countries' anime may be due in part to mastery of three-dimensional computer graphics (CG), allowing studios to quickly create lifelike characters and realistic backgrounds.

Much Japanese anime uses 2D celluloid pictures, in which character movements are painstakingly created by hand, though the use of CG is also prevalent in Japan. "The Founder of Diabolism" resembles a 2D production but includes many scenes that employ 3D, according to industry insiders. "Chinese studios are superior [to Japanese] in certain ways in terms of background art and 3D technology," Kurosaki said.

In the global anime sector, 3D computer graphics are now mainstream, as exemplified by U.S.-based Pixar Animation Studios, which released 3D computer-animated movies such as "Toy Story" in the mid-1990s and more recently "Frozen."


"Arcane" took over top place on Netflix, dethroning the long-running "Squid Game." (Image courtesy of Netflix)
In China, 3D CG has developed due partly to the abundance of subcontractors that work on Japanese games, anime and other digital content. Many Chinese internet giants such as Tencent have invested large sums in the anime sector, helping drive production of high-quality, original content.
They even admitted this at Berlin Film Festival.

I have a feeling that this is behind why 40% of Japanese youth are pro China. Hard power cannot completely explain this phenomenon as rising Chinese hard power has NOT translated into better views among youth in South Korea or Singapore, who are more anti China than their parents. Coincidentally SK and Singapore are dominated by Hollywood.
 
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