China's SCS Strategy Thread

[manqiangrexue]

Oh please. There is no point seizing boat at this point. It was a proposal in case of Taiwan playing hard ball on the murder. Since Taiwan appears to compensate and sentence the offender, major escalation can wait. The matter to focus right now is the extent of sentence and compensation, which will come along with nice piece of salami slicing in military realm. No point arguing the hypothetical scenario when the debate on precondition has been settled.

As I understand from the most current news, the Kinmen authorities wanted to appease the PRC. But they were stopped by the ROC government, and they are hard on their stance that there was no wrongdoing on their part now. Kinmen's low cash compensation offer was rejected. There's no sentencing or compensation anymore. It's all salami and hardball now.

But of course if you want to talk about it in context of SCS you are welcome. Honestly it fits SCS scenario better. US has much better chance here than couple miles near Chinese mainland.

You made a reference to another conversation as if it were comparable. I know it's not comparable, and the least comparable part is that the precondition of the Chinese coast guard seizing other coast guard ships is not met. They're doing what they've always done which is ram and watercannon so why would I expect a different US response this time? There are no parallels to the scenerio you put forth of the PRC coast guard seizing ROC coast guard ships and then doing it again right in front of US coast guard/naval escorts.

 

[Jeff L]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1764848813179551882

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1764887453058703680

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1764884795484770795

This time around they got the hose and love tap treatment, 4 injured + minor damage.

 

[Temstar]

Which is exactly how I predicted. Military vessel cannot be harmed, as it is act of war. Military vessel also cannot attack civilian vessel, because it is also act of war. Nobody is interested in a shooting war right now. That is the common sense.

USN sent a destroyer through the Taiwan Strait too:

I would think though if you were PCG or CGA this feels almost insulting, to be surrounded by CCG and have an USN ship just sail by and not do anything. It's very emperor's new clothes type deal where US is pretending to be still in charge yet not doing anything on the ground to help and not at all intimidating the CCG despite the rhetoric in public.

On a different note, one of the four injured on the supply ship from the shattered class turned out to be a vice admiral:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1765270716046553155

 

[PhSt]

So it seems the Philippines has set its Red lines in the SCS and even warned China not to cross it.

 

[Bellum_Romanum]

So it seems the Philippines has set its Red lines in the SCS and even warned China not to cross it.

Or else what?

 

[tamsen_ikard]

So it seems the Philippines has set its Red lines in the SCS and even warned China not to cross it.

China has been given a red line by the mighty Philippines. Cross it and find out!! Or stay timid and allow more supplies to get into Sierra Madre. China is too weak compared to the Philippines. Read the comments of the video and see the anger in the Philippines. They are ready for War!

 

[Stryker]

Or else what?

They won't share their pineapples

 

[Bellum_Romanum]

China has been given a red line by the mighty Philippines. Cross it and find out!! Or stay timid and allow more supplies to get into Sierra Madre. China is too weak compared to the Philippines. Read the comments of the video and see the anger in the Philippines. They are ready for War!

I hope you are being sarcastic because the Philippines is the weakest militarily amongst all ASEAN countries and that's not saying much with the exception of Vietnam, Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand or maybe Singapore.

 

[tamsen_ikard]

I hope you are being sarcastic because the Philippines is the weakest militarily amongst all ASEAN countries and that's not saying much with the exception of Vietnam, Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand or maybe Singapore.

I am being sarcastic but not because of what Phillipines are saying but why they can say these things, why they have so much confidence. It because of Chinese timidity and lack of focus on military power. Current military budget of 1.4% of GDP does not really show strong focus on military power.

China's opponents are raising their budget by 15-20% per year these days. They are doing deals to create more alliances. Compared to that China has been extremely timid. its time to raise the budget, build up and then cross the red lines.

 

[TK3600]

USN sent a destroyer through the Taiwan Strait too:
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I would think though if you were PCG or CGA this feels almost insulting, to be surrounded by CCG and have an USN ship just sail by and not do anything. It's very emperor's new clothes type deal where US is pretending to be still in charge yet not doing anything on the ground to help and not at all intimidating the CCG despite the rhetoric in public.

On a different note, one of the four injured on the supply ship from the shattered class turned out to be a vice admiral:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1765270716046553155

Yeah. That is why western media call it "military operated supply ship" when it is in fact a civilian vessel under command of coast guard. The only catch is there are military officers on board. The vice admiral is nothing new. Last time it was Chief of Staff of Armed Forces getting rammed.

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As I understand from the most current news, the Kinmen authorities wanted to appease the PRC. But they were stopped by the ROC government, and they are hard on their stance that there was no wrongdoing on their part now. Kinmen's low cash compensation offer was rejected. There's no sentencing or compensation anymore. It's all salami and hardball now.

You made a reference to another conversation as if it were comparable. I know it's not comparable, and the least comparable part is that the precondition of the Chinese coast guard seizing other coast guard ships is not met. They're doing what they've always done which is ram and watercannon so why would I expect a different US response this time? There are no parallels to the scenerio you put forth of the PRC coast guard seizing ROC coast guard ships and then doing it again right in front of US coast guard/naval escorts.

Nah man. It has nothing to do with Taiwan. The funny part is the same ship Unnaiza Mae 1 is involved in both incidence. That is the one I was comparing to. It was like you proposed they did get US vessel to shadow/escort. Poor ship proceed to get rammed again.

No it is not. You are the one failed reading comprehension. It is civilian boats sending food supply to the stranded naval vessel, one of them with a military officer onboard, hence "navy operated supply ship". It is not a naval vessel.

Name of supply ship 1: Unnaiza Mae 1,

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name of supply ship 2: M/L Kalavaan

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Both are civilian ships according to links provided. They are about as much a military vessel as a pizza van shipping pizza to military.

^ see this. This time it appears to be Unnaiza Mae 1 and 4.