China's SCS Strategy Thread

[ansy1968]

That's perfect timing.
US is engaged in Ukraine, Israel. Will it also engage in Philippines and SCS situation lmao.
Will it abandon its favourite Israel for its disposable pawn, Philippines..

Marcos wanted to draw American attention back to his country, but little does he know that Israel's position in US is infinitely times higher than Philippines'

Bro he is visiting Saudi Arabia for oil and investment, if he thinks MBS will give him the time of the day he is completely wrong, we import most of our refined oil product and guess which country we import the most. We will be closing our only refinery in Batangas due to cheap import and smuggling.

Shell, Petron and Caltex the big three source their import from China while the rest came from Singapore.

 

[ansy1968]

And to add some more, Chinese speakers is highly in demand, they were given a salary twice or even thrice of their supervisor not colleagues. My daughter is a perfect example, there is a BIG PARADIGM SHIFT in attitude among the youth here, from my days learning English is a must to land cozy high paying jobs, now being Chinese is beautiful. This is Soft Power, as we trade more with China then the future lies with China and the US can't do anything to stop it.

It will be a liberating thought, as trading with China will lift a lot of people from poverty and also to middle class, this scare the oligarch as more middle class enter the society the less power they have.

 

[tankphobia]

And to add some more, Chinese speakers is highly in demand, they were given a salary twice or even thrice of their supervisor not colleagues. My daughter is a perfect example, there is a BIG PARADIGM SHIFT in attitude among the youth here, from my days learning English is a must to land cozy high paying jobs, now being Chinese is beautiful. This is Soft Power, as we trade more with China then the future lies with China and the US can't do anything to stop it.

It will be a liberating thought, as trading with China will lift a lot of people from poverty and also to middle class, this scare the oligarch as more middle class enter the society the less power they have.

After recently vacating in the Philippines, the amount of trikes I saw that is ripe for EV revolution is staggering, I'm surprised Chinese companies aren't jumping at the opportunity to set up joint ventures with locals to fill this gap. Having been on a locally produced Tojo motors e-trike and comparing it with polluting motorcycle trikes, electrification seems like a no brainer.

This whole SCS dispute should really be a side show compared to the massive economic prosperity the two countries could bring each other.

 

[ansy1968]

After recently vacating in the Philippines,

You should have PM me bro, I'll treat you to a sumptuous Chinese dinner.

the amount of trikes I saw that is ripe for EV revolution is staggering, I'm surprised Chinese companies aren't jumping at the opportunity to set up joint ventures with locals to fill this gap. Having been on a locally produced Tojo motors e-trike and comparing it with polluting motorcycle trikes, electrification seems like a no brainer.

They have bro and many of my friend had also bought two wheeled electric scooter BUT the main problem are the lack of infrastructure needed for mass adoption. And regarding the pollution, many of those tricycle are second hand so YES it is a big problem and also add a lot to our heavy traffic situation.

This whole SCS dispute should really be a side show compared to the massive economic prosperity the two countries could bring each other.

Bro our elites are coopted by the Americans, IF the Chinese are willing to do the same then you will see a sudden change. Throughout our history it was them the landed oligarch that sold us down from the Spaniards to the Americans, they have NO concept of Nationalism BUT of nepotism and family dynasty.

With the economic slow down and lack of demand from the Collective West, their business are affected, the promise of American hand out never materialized. So this action is in part to remind the US of their commitment and also to cover up the blunder of choosing the wrong side from the public.

 

[Temstar]

PLAN did that thing again where they pretend they're part of the CSG and just blend in.


Shandong and Reagan CSGs were both in SCS on Saturday and pretty close, Reagan has left and entered Philippine Sea as of Sunday:

 

[tamsen_ikard]

It would be interesting to see, if China with all its newly built military power is now confident to have staredown with the US. For example, suppose this conflict escalates to the point where US navy is the one trying supply the philippine ship. This is not an outlandish idea as I am already seeing think tanker crowds proposing this on twitter.

Does China have the confidence to block US ship and even Ram US ships just like it did to philippino ships?

That will be the ultimate indication of its confidence in facing the US within first island chain. Xi Jinping has been very steady about not escalating too much with the US. So, the likely response is that he will back down. But it would be quite interesting if China and US both test each others wills not in Taiwan but in SCS.

 

[coolgod]

It would be interesting to see, if China with all its newly built military power is now confident to have staredown with the US. For example, suppose this conflict escalates to the point where US navy is the one trying supply the philippine ship. This is not an outlandish idea as I am already seeing think tanker crowds proposing this on twitter.

Does China have the confidence to block US ship and even Ram US ships just like it did to philippino ships?

That will be the ultimate indication of its confidence in facing the US within first island chain. Xi Jinping has been very steady about not escalating too much with the US. So, the likely response is that he will back down. But it would be quite interesting if China and US both test each others wills not in Taiwan but in SCS.

Look at Reagan CSG timeline map, it just got BTFO of SCS by China. Ram US ships? The US navy wouldn't dare to play chicken with China in the SCS.

 

[TK3600]

Last time it run away with 6 CV, it will not stop China today either.

 

[Wrought]

That will be the ultimate indication of its confidence in facing the US within first island chain. Xi Jinping has been very steady about not escalating too much with the US. So, the likely response is that he will back down. But it would be quite interesting if China and US both test each others wills not in Taiwan but in SCS.

Of course CCG will back down if the US makes a serious escalation. And it should. Just look at a map and you will see how foolish it would be for China to commit to a crisis or even conflict in the SCS. The whole point of PLA modernization has been to build an overlapping system of systems which support each other for joint operations. PLAN/PLAAF/PLARF all need to work together for the best chance of success, and the further you go from the mainland the harder that will be. Taiwan is much closer than the Philippines, and only a fool would throw away an advantage like that. The US has many problems, yes, but you cannot ignore that they still have much of the military strength they built up over the past hundred years.

It seems many people forget the reason for using CCG and militia in the first place instead of navy. Watch the video, see the guns on the coast guard ship? You think they can't destroy such a small boat? Even the water cannon did nothing. They are not there for a fight. They are there to make sure the status quo continues to favor Chinese interests, because it does. As long as the Philippines and US are only complaining about small problems with small boats then the beached ship will keep eroding away. Let time do the hard work, let your enemies waste their attention and resources elsewhere, and use that time to make yourself stronger. Pride is foolish. Again, patience is the best weapon.

 

[ansy1968]

Of course CCG will back down if the US makes a serious escalation. And it should. Just look at a map and you will see how foolish it would be for China to commit to a crisis or even conflict in the SCS. The whole point of PLA modernization has been to build an overlapping system of systems which support each other for joint operations. PLAN/PLAAF/PLARF all need to work together for the best chance of success, and the further you go from the mainland the harder that will be. Taiwan is much closer than the Philippines, and only a fool would throw away an advantage like that. The US has many problems, yes, but you cannot ignore that they still have much of the military strength they built up over the past hundred years.

It seems many people forget the reason for using CCG and militia in the first place instead of navy. Watch the video, see the guns on the coast guard ship? You think they can't destroy such a small boat? Even the water cannon did nothing. They are not there for a fight. They are there to make sure the status quo continues to favor Chinese interests, because it does. As long as the Philippines and US are only complaining about small problems with small boats then the beached ship will keep eroding away. Let time do the hard work, let your enemies waste their attention and resources elsewhere, and use that time to make yourself stronger. Pride is foolish. Again, patience is the best weapon.

I disagree on you on this part, China had Escalatory Dominance, its their neighborhood, if the American are stupid enough to make trouble then the Chinese can easily mobilized the needed asset to confront them, In fact if the American do intervene it will incentivize the Chinese to seize the shoal and end the trouble there for good. (In a time were the US are stretch thin and facing multiple front, a high probability of the American losing face and prestige if the situation escalate).

The SCS is a Chinese pond, those large fish (aircraft Carrier) can't maneuver and can easily be targeted. And will the US escalate the conflict further in the second island chain because that is the theater best suited for the Americans? will Japan and SK agree (most of their trade route transverse the SCS) ? even the Philippine will argue against such reckless behavior because we will be on the frontline. So yes all this Moro Moro or kabuki are all for show.