China naval drills in East China Sea

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You are correct in saying that some threads already became political debates before you participate, but all threads that you have participated in became some form of political debates, which illustrates the nature of the problem.

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Seems the nature of the problem, is that youre not making any sense.
Wrong: Not all threads I participate in have become political due to my participation I once asked Popeye "why navy ships were still painted grey", in one of the naval threads, plus a couple more related comments If it went political because of that comment , Ill promise to eat my veges.

Can you please explain the political connectations of that comment

False. You started out with a wrong mindset, and then look for sources to prove your assumption.

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Mindset, Assumptions, Views ,or whatever

"Providing Sources" is what Ive been asked to do by other forum members to make my views more acceptable

In other words, you nitpicking everything and criticize China about it regardless of the circumstances.

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OF course one has to be selective/nitpick and talk about things of greatest concern and validity Or would you prefer I talked about the state of Chinas public restrooms.

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regardless of the circumstances.

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Tell me what circumstances are permissable for the Melamine scandal, and ruining the reputation of one of my countries finest companies , because she might loose face, in the light of the impending Olympics?

This is a global form but that doesn't mean it is open to trolling.

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So anything that doesnt pander to Chinese sensitivities is trolling

bladerunner said:

So anything that doesnt pander to Chinese sensitivities is trolling

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Guys. Can we stick to the topic and stop discussing who is trolling and who is not?

As mentioned time and again, different people are entitled to his or her own personal opinion, and is free to voice out these opinions (be it critical or not, and for or against China). The only thing is that these opinions is to be within realm of reality, backed by sources and references.

And what ever opinion voiced out might be attacked by other forum members also within realm of reality with their own sources and interpretation of the sources provided.

It is this simple. So please get on to the China naval drills in East China Sea thread, other than discussing who is trolling and who is bias...

Back to the topic,

It seemed that even the Foreign Ministry of Japan, also feel that the Chinese have not violate international law in their drills. So I guess there are two voices in Japan now. Or maybe they are just some political reasons.

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rhino123 said:

That is a cheer for China... however, as seen, the aircrafts had to go through multiple refuelling to effectively provide the ships with the needed aerial coverage. This will not last... without aircraft carriers to carry the fighters... China's navy cannot fully exploit their capability.

Thus even up till now, I think (my own opinion, only), China's navy is still a no-threat to which ever powers beyond the first island chain.

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A milestone indeed has been achieved. Now that they change the naval doctrine organic air cover is a necessity and just matter of time Expect to see bigger ship and more robust anti submarine.

I don't believe China will become a bully It simply not in their DNA. Centuries ago when China is the hegemon she has the chance to colonize south east asia but she didn't. The memory of admiral Zheng He is still deep in SEA. His temple in Penang, Semarang, Jakarta are still full of people until today!

Hendrik_2000 said:

A milestone indeed has been achieved. Now that they change the naval doctrine organic air cover is a necessity and just matter of time Expect to see bigger ship and more robust anti submarine.

I don't believe China will become a bully It simply not in their DNA. Centuries ago when China is the hegemon she has the chance to colonize south east asia but she didn't. The memory of admiral Zheng He is still deep in SEA. His temple in Penang, Semarang, Jakarta are still full of people until today!

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I agreed with you on this one

Just a side note, nothing to do with this thread though, I always find it funny that people actually worship Zheng He... after all... he is a Muslim.:coffee:

solarz said:

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, the Chinese Ambassador to Japan is saying that China did announce this exercise in advance.

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Belated thanks wouldnt have found it myself. However there still seems to be controversy over it if one refers to Hendriks post.

However for a 4.5g removed from ancestral links I last spoke , wrote chinese in any meaniful way 50yrs ago. I didnt understand a word he said

bladerunner said:

Belated thanks wouldnt have found it myself. However there still seems to be controversy over it if one refers to Hendriks post.

However for a 4.5g removed from ancestral links I last spoke , wrote chinese in any meaniful way 50yrs ago. I didnt understand a word he said

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中国同日本继续就日前中方直升机飞近日方军舰的事件争辩。中国驻日本大使程永华周二表示，问题出在日方，因为日本军舰一直紧跟中国军舰。日本外相冈田克也今天回应说，日本监督中国军舰，不违反任何法律。

中国驻日本大使程永华周二在日本记者俱乐部会见时，对日本抗议中方直升机近距离接近日本护卫舰问题表示反驳，他说，中国海军舰队按照国际规则在公海演习，行为正当，问题出在日本从上海附近海域就一直紧追中国军舰。

程永华：“中国按照国际规则，并事前公布了演习计划。原因出在日本舰艇和巡逻机一直紧跟中国军舰。”

程永华大使还表示，为防止问题再次发生，中日双方应当加强在防卫领域的对话，增强互信。

程永华：“我们希望进一步推进中日两国的军事交流与合作。”

但日本外相冈田克也周三在国会众议院外务委员会上反驳说，日本护卫舰一直同中国军舰保持一定距离，观察他国的训练状况，并不违反法律。冈田强调，中方直升机近距离接近日本护卫舰本身，是非常危险的行为，而中方显然没有认识到危险性。

冈田克也说：“保持一定距离观察中方军舰动向，并不违反法律。但中方做法非常危险，而中方显然没认识到这一点。为避免事故，日中应当多沟通，交换意见，这一点非常重要。”

日本防卫省称，中国海军军舰的舰载直升机在本月8日和21日，近距离接近日本海上自卫队的护卫舰，事发后，日本政府通过外交渠道向中方抗议，但中方回应说，中国的做法符合国际法。

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Basically it was saying that the foreign ministry of Japan found that China had not violate any international law.

The consulate of China in Japan rebuke Japan saying that China had followed strictly to the International Law and did nothing to violate it. It is Japan that is the problem here, by sending their ships and aircraft to tailgate the Chinese ships.

Also, it seemed that the Chinese claimed that they have already announced their drill or training plan before hand.

(Actually if the Foreign Ministry of Japan themselves claimed that China had not violate any international law, I think what the CHinese said is true.)

Haha the Japanese Foreign Ministry is being sneaky. Although they are saying that the Chinese didn't break any international laws but also said that they would investigate any "chinese intentions against [Japan]", implying that they don't consider the exercise to be a "normal" one. I'm guessing that they are simply trying to satisfy both sides with statements like these.

bladerunner said:

Seems the nature of the problem, is that youre not making any sense.
Wrong: Not all threads I participate in have become political due to my participation I once asked Popeye "why navy ships were still painted grey", in one of the naval threads, plus a couple more related comments If it went political because of that comment , Ill promise to eat my veges.

Can you please explain the political connectations of that comment

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Yes bladerunner, I'm sure if you try hard enough you can even find the post where you've greeted the forum, and claim that saying "hi" has no connection to politics. All that says is a specific post has no connection to politics. It doesn't mean all your posts now have no political connections.

bladerunner said:

Mindset, Assumptions, Views ,or whatever

"Providing Sources" is what Ive been asked to do by other forum members to make my views more acceptable

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Yes, we have seen the way you provide "sources" by twisting what you've read to match your own assumption, like how you often twist other people's words, set up strawman and come up with some totally ridiculous conclusion.

bladerunner said:

OF course one has to be selective/nitpick and talk about things of greatest concern and validity Or would you prefer I talked about the state of Chinas public restrooms.

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Quite right, you have to be selective/nitpick and talk about things of greatest concern, and the greatest concern to you is China bashing. I'm sure now we will get an earful of how China is a horrible place because of its public restrooms.

bladerunner said:

Tell me what circumstances are permissable for the Melamine scandal, and ruining the reputation of one of my countries finest companies , because she might loose face, in the light of the impending Olympics?

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Tell me how this is not a fine example of provoking political debate.

bladerunner said:

So anything that doesnt pander to Chinese sensitivities is trolling

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No bladerunner, delibrately provoking other Chinese members and drive threads into irrelevent political debates is a form of trolling.

rhino123 said:

Basically it was saying that the foreign ministry of Japan found that China had not violate any international law.

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In that article, the foreign ministry of Japan also said that it is fine for Japan to tailgate China's fleet but not fine for China to do the same with its helicopters. WTF?