China ICBM/SLBM, nuclear arms thread

FairAndUnbiased

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I mean even statistical outliers mean you'd expect to see a couple of those now and then even with a precise missile, only 50% of rounds land within the CEP, and with the sheer amount of training they do.

Also, lol:
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if Ukrainian air force is flying so well then how come Russian Air Force is carpet bombing with FAB-3000s?

3000 kg payloads on pylons aren't exactly great for air to air maneuverability. Shouldn't they be scared of Ukrainian BVR intercepts with their alien tech F-16s?
 

BoogieWoogie

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I mean even statistical outliers mean you'd expect to see a couple of those now and then even with a precise missile, only 50% of rounds land within the CEP, and with the sheer amount of training they do.

Also, lol:
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The person on X you linked is to put it nicely, inept. The differences between the two scenarios are so great they are barely comparable.
 

BoraTas

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The person on X you linked is to put it nicely, inept. The differences between the two scenarios are so great they are barely comparable.
Comparing the number of missiles is exactly like comparing the number of bullets in a shooting competition. The number bullets is not unimportant but it is far lower in importance compared to the skill of the shooter, and the specs of the bullets, rifle and the optic.
 

ismellcopium

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Comparing the number of missiles is exactly like comparing the number of bullets in a shooting competition. The number bullets is not unimportant but it is far lower in importance compared to the skill of the shooter, and the specs of the bullets, rifle and the optic.
and, uh.. the number of bullets isn't comparable either.
 

BoogieWoogie

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Comparing the number of missiles is exactly like comparing the number of bullets in a shooting competition. The number bullets is not unimportant but it is far lower in importance compared to the skill of the shooter, and the specs of the bullets, rifle and the optic.

I am referring to an even broader context, such as the size of the two countries, the economic differences between China and Russia, technological disparities, manufacturing capabilities, geographical distance, and the difference in motivation between the Taiwanese and the Ukrainians, among many other factors. The number of ‘rockets’ a nation possesses is almost irrelevant in China’s scenario, as they do not need a large stockpile to achieve success in Taiwan.
 

gpt

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Celestrak data is out on CZ-3B launch of TJS-13. Payload headed to a 162x40113km HEO. Third stage burn placed it a similar trajectory as Shiyan-10 01,02's. It will drift to Molniya next year.
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TJS-13 (allegedly called 火眼 05 or Fire Eyes) infrared missile warning satellite has maneuvered into Molniya orbit today.
So now it has the TJS 2,5,6,7 in GEO and 13 in Molniya. May need 2 more in the latter orbit for comprehensive coverage.
 

SunlitZelkova

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this is the complete report; 550 intercontinental lunchers. Quality of the report is questionable though, there is no mentioning of df-45/51 that we saw in this thread. Likely, they hide and manipulate real intelligence so that sources or methods of the intelligence gathering remain unknown to china.

There is an "other" entry in the ICBM section of the PLARF missile OOB on page 166. Perhaps this refers to the DF-45?

On another note, their analysis of Chinese civilian reactor construction claims HEU-based fuel will allow for better WGP production; this is false, a plutonium-based fuel is more efficient.

They also claim the DF-5C uses a multi-megaton warhead; my understanding is that all previous assumptions were that it would carry up to 10 MIRVs (DF-5B is 5 max). To me, this implies that some DF-5C may use stockpiled warheads from the retired DF-5As that were replaced by DF-5Bs. Assuming China remanufactures warheads every now and then, there should be no problem using them.

It's important to remember that these are the same people who claimed the Soviets would have 800 jet-powered heavy bombers by 1960 when they ended up having about 40-50. The US has been heavily gunning for any excuse to expand its operational nuclear force, in 2020 Trump's representative for arms control literally said "we know how to start and win arms races" and just a couple days ago The Heritage Foundation or some think tank published an article calling for taking W80 and W79 (!!) warheads out of the stockpile and mounting them on LRASM, JASSM, and TLAMs. W79 is an artillery shell lol.

That said, China obviously needs to build a lot more warheads for the new silos, so the fissile material will have to come from somewhere. In addition, the silos started construction in 2020 or 2021, right? The arming of silos in 2024 would track with historical mass silo deployments. The Minuteman I silos started construction in 1961 and became fully operational in 1964.
 
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