China ICBM/SLBM, nuclear arms thread

[FairAndUnbiased]

I see. Now we got another possible explanation regarding “water-filled” missiles. They are passively serious human errors regarding the post-boost re-entry vehicle. It also explains who so many PLARF officers have been arrested (amounting to a purge). The PLARF has never operated large numbers of ICBMs and MIRVs. If this guy’s assertion were true, the PLARF’s ICBM force has a long way to go regarding logistics personnel training on top of building more missiles and launchers.

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That still doesn't explain 1 simple question: civil launch sector is also state owned. The suppliers are the same. Post boost vehicle is the same as maneuvering thrusters on a regular satellite. These work, proven easily by even amateur astronomy with an Amazon telescope.

There has never been a country with shit missiles but top tier civilian spaceflight.

How to segregate corruption only to the military supply chain and not the civilian one when both have same suppliers and are both state owned?

 

[Biscuits]

I see. Now we got another possible explanation regarding “water-filled” missiles. They are passively serious human errors regarding the post-boost re-entry vehicle. It also explains who so many PLARF officers have been arrested (amounting to a purge). The PLARF has never operated large numbers of ICBMs and MIRVs. If this guy’s assertion were true, the PLARF’s ICBM force has a long way to go regarding logistics personnel training on top of building more missiles and launchers.

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He is some random nobody who may or may not be an American bot? Like perhaps you, since you spend all day doing nothing but regurgitating suspiciously the exactly same talking points as the current US influence campaign...

 

[Overbom]

This western (propaganda) topic has been beaten to death already. Can we move on now

 

[AssassinsMace]

It sounds like a story that the Falun Gong came up with and because it's something Americans want to believe and it came from a "Chinese," so it must be true. This is in the same category as believing the Chinese forgot to make the landing gear on the J-20 retract. They know it's not true but they want to take their shots even when they'll look like fools for being wrong in the end. They always want to believe China forgot something important that they wouldn't like bolts to an emergency exit door on a 737 Max 9. Look at Pinko who claimed China wanted to go back to buying Russian fighters because the Chinese found out after producing all these domestic fighters and wasting all this money trying to develop their own... they weren't good enough.

Frankly the US will grab onto this because they simply don't like how China can increase its number of nukes and they could absolutely do nothing about it. What are they going to do? Complain that's too many for any country to have? Remember for the longest time the US wanted to believe China only had 200-300 nukes because that was China's only capable limit. They don't want to believe that was a number by choice because they wanted to believe China will make as many as they possibly can because China is an uncontrollable monster realizing they can't do what they want. That would mean China thinks responsibly. They don't want to believe that. Now China will have up to five times more without a beat. That's why they want to belittle it because that's what they're relegated as the only thing they can do.

 

[ChongqingHotPot92]

Honestly I think the Bloomberg story will have net positive effects for the PLARF in the long run, regardless whether it is true or not. If the PRC’s adversaries (especially lesser powers like Jai Hind, Taiwan, and Philippines) perceived the PLA as irredeemably corrupt, they could be in for a nasty surprise several years from now.

The article also serves as a warning for the CCP’s anti-corruption agencies and accountability departments to up their games. This is also where I am confused. By leaking stories like that, the supposed “US intel agencies” and Bloomberg are helping the CCP and the PLA as opposed to weakening them.

 

[Blitzo]

The irrationalism of the Boxers and radical red guards like yours eventually bring about nothing but destruction and subjugation by foreign powers, if not totally societal collapse. If you see corruptions, fix them and bring those responsible before the court. Turning a blind eye to corruption and governmental waste is not patriotism. It is call blind obedience to authority, regardless whether such authority benefits most citizens or not. Covering power abuses and corruption with fake nationalism and its resulting jingoism is also what makes great empires fall. Who knows, maybe you are the real bot. Otherwise, why would you be so radical in your statements.

His statements aren't really that radical, he, myself and others are just asking you to use some common sense in terms of posting speculation from other people into this thread on a matter which has already been thoroughly discussed and which we have all basically understood as a topic which has a massive number of permutations and possibilities to explain the vague and non specific claims made in that story.

Unless there is any good quality or credible news on top of what we know, then anyone's speculation is basically about as useful as anyone else's --- aka useless.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

The irrationalism of the Boxers and radical red guards like yours eventually bring about nothing but destruction and subjugation by foreign powers, if not totally societal collapse. If you see corruptions, fix them and bring those responsible before the court. Turning a blind eye to corruption and governmental waste is not patriotism. It is call blind obedience to authority, regardless whether such authority benefits most citizens or not. Covering power abuses and corruption with fake nationalism and its resulting jingoism is also what makes great empires fall. Who knows, maybe you are the real bot. Otherwise, why would you be so radical in your statements.

I agree. Covering power abuse and corruption with fake nationalism and jingoism makes great empires fall.

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[ChongqingHotPot92]

His statements aren't really that radical, he, myself and others are just asking you to use some common sense in terms of posting speculation from other people into this thread on a matter which has already been thoroughly discussed and which we have all basically understood as a topic which has a massive number of permutations and possibilities to explain the vague and non specific claims made in that story.

Unless there is any good quality or credible news on top of what we know, then anyone's speculation is basically about as useful as anyone else's --- aka useless.

Thanks for the clarification!

 

[ChongqingHotPot92]

That still doesn't explain 1 simple question: civil launch sector is also state owned. The suppliers are the same. Post boost vehicle is the same as maneuvering thrusters on a regular satellite. These work, proven easily by even amateur astronomy with an Amazon telescope.

There has never been a country with shit missiles but top tier civilian spaceflight.

How to segregate corruption only to the military supply chain and not the civilian one when both have same suppliers and are both state owned?

What about those meant for storage and stockpiling? Could there be unintentional mishaps (maybe not deliberate water fillings, but mishaps like forgetting to replace the testing fuel with real propellants). Relating this to the article, maybe it is just a few rockets in storage being neglected like that, but Bloomberg and whoever provided the story decided to greatly exaggerate it?

 

[tokenanalyst]

If the US REALLY believe that the Chinese nuclear arsenal is "deficient" is pretty convenient for China because they will have less pressure from in arms control and if the US REALLY believe that they will invest less on missile defense systems but I dont think the US is this dumb (or could be, who knows) because US is really desperate to get China into some sort of arms control. Now they are hyping the idea that China is going to nuke testing ( critical or sub-critical?) again.

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