China ICBM/SLBM, nuclear arms thread

[ZeEa5KPul]

It took a while but I got it, I finally got it. I got how US "intelligence" (the biggest oxymoron in the Universe) came up with an idea as ridiculous as the PLARF filling missile with water. It took so long because the depths of stupidity I had to plumb were limitless. If you're drinking anything, swallow and set the cup down now.

The monkeys translated "注水" literally.

 

[Zhejiang]

That tweet rung all of my BS alarms. Who is going to tell him LOL?

I had to look a bit deeper into his tweets to tell, like maybe he has been right before, but his tweets about China are all BS and shows he has no real knowledge just relying on what he hears. His only one that can make sense is that 2 of the generals that were fired had roles in the equipment development program, what comes from the names of people released by China so his reason can also be wrong because it is assuming

 

[Kalec]

The rumor (which I heard in September last year) is more like they put a layer of protection (probably mix of sand/stone/concrete) over the missile silo, which they hope to protect them from the con/nuke attack. But they failed a test to blow away the protection layer last year and the lid can't be opened therefore.

IMO all of these are not significant problems, rather funny tbh, I would pay them 50 bucks to watch a live fire of DF-5 water rocket. I will list some concerning in their modernization program later on.

 

[Blitzo]

The rumor (which I heard in September last year) is more like they put a layer of protection (probably mix of sand/stone/concrete) over the missile silo, which they hope to protect them from the con/nuke attack. But they failed a test to blow away the protection layer last year and the lid can't be opened therefore.

IMO all of these are not significant problems, rather funny tbh, I would pay them 50 bucks to watch a live fire of DF-5 water rocket. I will list some concerning in their modernization program later on.
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Yeah, tbh technical/testing demonstrating a design which needs revision, is pretty sensible and is part of the process of developing a capability.

I wouldn't be surprised if this got somehow mistranslated and/or misinterpreted into meaning something else.

 

[Dante80]

We really have no idea what happened, and I really would caution against taking any article like this on face value. Especially when citing "intelligence sources".

All those people might have been purged for bad breath, for all we know..and if I wanted to make a good read, I can think of another dozen convincing examples of graft or incompetence, as believable (and probably untrue) as those already written.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Which means if you pour water into the DF-41, DF-31, and other solid fuel missiles, it will be very easy to find out.

You literally cannot pour ANYTHING into a solid fuel rocket. There is no fueling port.

 

[ChongqingHotPot92]

You literally cannot pour ANYTHING into a solid fuel rocket. There is no fueling port.

Am I doubt solid fuel rocket canisters are designed to hold liquid similar to those of liquid fuel rockets. I wonder what would happen if you transport DF-41 missiles with water swinging back and forth inside them instead of solid fuel lol. There is no way such sabotage would have been covered up and be allowed to fester for months/years before being busted.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Am I doubt solid fuel rocket canisters are designed to hold liquid similar to those of liquid fuel rockets. I wonder what would happen if you transport DF-41 missiles with water swinging back and forth inside them instead of solid fuel lol. There is no way such sabotage would have been covered up and be allowed to fester for months/years before being busted.

since it is fueled at the factory (and by fueled I mean the rocket is made with the fuel inside) the entire factory has to be fake. This isn't regular corruption like, oh, turn a blind eye to a safety inspection failing or take a few cases of cash for faster service.

You have to have an entire fake factory, and not just a fake factory for the public, but a fake factory inside the PLA supply chain.

 

[TK3600]

It took a while but I got it, I finally got it. I got how US "intelligence" (the biggest oxymoron in the Universe) came up with an idea as ridiculous as the PLARF filling missile with water. It took so long because the depths of stupidity I had to plumb were limitless. If you're drinking anything, swallow and set the cup down now.

The monkeys translated "注水" literally.

This is what I thought as well. So it really just meant some people cheaped fuel with cheaper less effective substitute mixed with original fuel. When I say fuel it include solid. The solid could be mixed with more stabilizing agent to cheap out.

 

[Kalec]

Some concerns:

1. Lack of nuclear doctrine

Chinese official nuclear doctrine didn't change much between 1960s and 2020s. Come on, they are pretending business still as usual while approaching parity with US/RU in early 2030s. It is not nuclear posture works and they should change it.

2. Lack of survivable NC3

For example, airborne nuclear command is essential to flexibility and credibility of nuclear deterrence, I see no such plane yet. You can't rely on ground-based radio station in a nuclear war. And they should upgrade their strategic comms satellites soon.

3. No show of strength

Can you believe that PLARF never shows a real DF-41 apart from 2019 parade. Yeah it is what happens right now. Nuclear deterrence is to show your adversary that they have to take unacceptable loss in a nuclear war therefore you have to show they how. PLARF is hiding every advanced missiles from spotlight and roll outs old DF-11, DF-15 every time. Jesus, can someone imagine that PLAAF release J-7G and J-8F only all day long in 2024

4. No nationwide exercise

PLARF operates at a rather local stance compared to NATO/Russia who has annual nuclear exercise to practice coordinated strike/counter-strike. Meanwhile PLARF exercise is all about "I am the fastest kid in launching" or "mom I live in a tunnel for 3 weeks long" and I am not even kidding, anti-fatigue exercise in a tunnel is an essential part of their training.

In case if someone is asking "how do you know have all these stuffs, what if they have but don't show us." They should, it is their job to showcase their readiness to achieve deterrence.