China can and will achieve total air superiority over Taiwan

maozedong

maozedong

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zraver said:
why even target runways unless it is a suprise attack out of the blue. If there had been building tensions and the US spy sats saw the PLA/PLAAF assets moving opposite Taiwan then those RoCAF fighters are dispersed. The targets will be fuel sites, depots, and radar/comm units the RoCAF needs to keep those fighters in the fight.

just my 2 cents
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so,where those Taiwan fighters going? PLA not start to landing yet,They are not able to attack maritime targets, the PLAAF and they are not yet operational, the PLAAF in the scope of the PLA ground air defense fire waiting them and their bases were destroyed, finally, landing only to Japan airport, they may not re-took off from bases in Japan, it was tantamount to Japan entered the war, has become a complex issue ....
 
crobato

crobato

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zraver said:
why even target runways unless it is a suprise attack out of the blue. If there had been building tensions and the US spy sats saw the PLA/PLAAF assets moving opposite Taiwan then those RoCAF fighters are dispersed. The targets will be fuel sites, depots, and radar/comm units the RoCAF needs to keep those fighters in the fight.

just my 2 cents
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Why do they have to move? They are always prepositioned right there anyway.
 
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zraver

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1- China does not base all of its most modern airframes opposite Taiwan.

2- pre-combat maintenance and training cycles would go up.

3- movement of supplies and personel as leaves are cancelled and airborne troops are mated up with aircraft and the navy sorties etc.

You cannot take a modern military into combat from a cold start effectively.
 
crobato

crobato

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zraver said:
1- China does not base all of its most modern airframes opposite Taiwan.
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China does not need to base all its modern aircraft opposite Taiwan. Many are in striking range without being based directly in Fujian.

2- pre-combat maintenance and training cycles would go up.
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They have been going up anyway.

3- movement of supplies and personel as leaves are cancelled and airborne troops are mated up with aircraft and the navy sorties etc.

You cannot take a modern military into combat from a cold start effectively.
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And they do that all the time, in fact, they did it last month for the navy and the naval air force.
 
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Skorzeny

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crobato said:
China does not need to base all its modern aircraft opposite Taiwan. Many are in striking range without being based directly in Fujian.



They have been going up anyway.



And they do that all the time, in fact, they did it last month for the navy and the naval air force.
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I know you like China, but saying that you can mount major combined operations without any changes from peacetime logistics is just.........
You cant seriously mean that:(
 
crobato

crobato

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They just did. They just held one of their biggest joint exercises ever last November and no one saw it coming. And if you did see it coming, who is going to believe you?

In any case, political signs are much more important because China will not initiate hostilities unless there is an outright declaration of independence. So the ball really is in Taiwan's court, not China's.

Liking China or not has nothing to do with it. What matters is that they did it, like it or not.
 
crobato

crobato

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zraver said:
An exercise is not war, no where near the scale either.
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You can always mobilize under the pretensions of exercise and I mean really big exercises. There is nothing stopping the PLA actually mounting a major mobilization exercise that almost looks looks like an imminent invasion, then not go through with it, if only to flex both its own muscles, test international reaction and response, and send a message to Taiwan.

I would be more confident about intelligence being able to predetermine PLA movements and mobilization---if you have good intel in location in the first place. But all we are seeing is that the intel on China has been sucking all along.
 
utelore

utelore

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men, there is this stuff called JET FUEL and ARMS DEPOTS, when the PRC takes that out which most of it is NOT under ground mainly the JET FUEL..game over. BUT FIRST ONE BIG PROBLEM>>>>>

the SAM pockets of S-300 and patriot are overlapping and ANY war plane is DOA operating in those VAST pockets. A patriot will shoot down a F-16 or a SU-27 it does not care. I know for a fact the PRC pilots are terrified of its own S-300 and run corridors because of this. same goes for 300 will shoot down su-27 without blinking. both sides will try and squack eachothers transponders compounded with ECM it will be INSANE.

For about two days you will see both the PRC and the ROC playing...shoot and scoot with HARM and KH-31p in hopes of negating the radars of these systems will just switch to passive mode themselves.

If this insanity ever happens it will be the most cluttered High tech slaughter field mankind has ever seen. Both sides have some much high tech stuff that is super secret. It will be a 12 round fight with the first 7 rounds just feeling eachother out.
 
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Skorzeny

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utelore said:
men, there is this stuff called JET FUEL and ARMS DEPOTS, when the PRC takes that out which most of it is NOT under ground mainly the JET FUEL..game over. BUT FIRST ONE BIG PROBLEM>>>>>
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The fuel should be a priority target, but ofcourse its under ground. The munitions are also in dispersed bunkers! Have you ever been on a military airfield? Heck even my lokal Texaco station has the fuel under ground!

Crobato
A really, really big exercise will lead to heightened readiness in Taiwan. The US would probably also move assets close by to have a look at the thing.

That noone saw the last chinese exercise you ofcourse have from your personal sources at Langley and Vauxhall Cross?

That kind of large scale movement will show up on sat images.
Also China is not a closed country anymore. Western businessmen should be able to provide some humint.

The point is: You need to give us some proof that China can do what neither the US or the Soviets ever could.
That "but the chinese are known to be sneaky with the art of war and stuff" isn`t proof.
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