maozedong
Banned Idiot
Last edited:
China can and will achieve total air superiority over Taiwan
- Thread starter green beret
- Start date
you missunderstand me, underground not under ground
...HARDEND. the Fuel retainers are not for the most part hardend. The storage bunkers are in Indented earthen bunkers designed in the 70s. These are also not HARDEND to modern standards.
If you would like to see what a hardend airfield complex looks like go to google earth and look and the israeli airfields in the Nevgev or the U.S built saudi airfields at king kahlid
...HARDEND. the Fuel retainers are not for the most part hardend. The storage bunkers are in Indented earthen bunkers designed in the 70s. These are also not HARDEND to modern standards. If you would like to see what a hardend airfield complex looks like go to google earth and look and the israeli airfields in the Nevgev or the U.S built saudi airfields at king kahlid
you missunderstand me, underground not under ground
If you would like to see what a hardend airfield complex looks like go to google earth and look and the israeli airfields in the Nevgev or the U.S built saudi airfields at king kahlid
I`ve been to a hardened airfield, so I know what its supposed to look like. Ofcourse I havent seen the airfield on Taiwan. But even if you look at bunkers from the seventies, they require a direct hit, something BM`s dont do very often.
A modern airfield would have its fuel in hardened storage tanks. They are mission critical.
maozedong
Banned Idiot
The longer the preparation and the longer the conflict, the less likely your premiss gets.
Without a surprise attack and a quick victory, the US and other countries would put enormous pressure on China.
The US would atleast contribute with air and naval assets.
You can say that the premiss for the discussion is no US intervention, but if its not a very short conflict, that premiss is wrong.
Also, you cant prepare everything well in advance. That would put to much strain on your forces. Keeping "them ready to go"
Without a surprise attack and a quick victory, the US and other countries would put enormous pressure on China.
The US would atleast contribute with air and naval assets.
You can say that the premiss for the discussion is no US intervention, but if its not a very short conflict, that premiss is wrong.
Also, you cant prepare everything well in advance. That would put to much strain on your forces. Keeping "them ready to go"
maozedong
Banned Idiot
no surprise attack any more now.even China can do that but she would not dot that,the reason I already talk before.
Taiwan Strait war is a very complicated issue, in case of war, no matter what means China will be under pressure, China and Taiwan will be heavy losses, these are not the subject of our discussion.
It is for this reason that China maintain superiority in the military, the war will not happen.
These questions can write a book, which is why crobato would not answer your question, lets return to the "China can and will achieve total air superiority over".
by by!
bud, you think you have been to a "hardened" airfield. what hardened airfield have you been too because in all reality their is no such animal. with the exception of vertical takeoff aircraft all airbases can be taken down real easy. A strike package of runway bombs, FAE bombs then cluster munitions with delay or motion fuse. Main Highway leading to the airbase craterd with 2,000 pounders. FRH(hydraulic fluids) stores hit. . Air maintenance crews barracks hit with PGM,level 3,2 roads to airbase hit with cluster munitions and 700 pounders.so many things are needed to keep a fighter wing up and running. the airbase may look hardened but not so anymore.
By hardened I mean an airfield where all vital installations are in bunkers or underground. It doesn`t mean that its impossible to take it out, just that you need direct hits with penetrators.
Ofcourse if you have air superiority or stealt and can use PGMs at will, its easy
Why would you FAE a runway?
It was in response to the usual "SRBM will easily destroy taiwanese airfields".
bud, All you need is to knock out the runway. thats not hard to do at all. My main point is that any war between RoC and PRC will be so chaotic with so much Hi Tech systems being put into play it will be like the first U.S civil war in the context of troops lining up only to be killed by rifled guns and breach loading field guns with explosive rounds.
Neither side will have a true concept of the absolute devastation they will strike down on each-other. it will be falklands times 10,000....Look, during desert storm it not like I was playing a video game were you have total situational awareness. All kinds of information filters down and then becomes absolute chaos. During Iraqi freedom via close friends it was a complete??? Thats why the whole thing was kept so simple with a two pronged attack. They"my friends" in the business say any war with the PRC would be Information overload,chaos,over and under situational awareness while at the same time super sonic KH-31A/P are hitting anything with radar while we are popping off HARMS of are own.
Next not to mention JH-7,Q-5s J-8, SU-30 and cruise missiles will make runs on ALL airfields, Kilo and Song boats firing torps and ASM at anything that has a wake or radar/sonor signature. Fast attack boats with more ASM firing at anything that scares them. Ballistic missiles by the hundreds falling on The RoC while cruise Missiles from the RoC and F-16 make north and south runs against the PRC outside of the S-300 box. It would be 360o warfare from all angles and angles we dont even know about yet.
THIS TALK OF AIRSUPERIORITY IS JUST TO SIMPLE MINDED GIVEN THE ADAVANCES IN OTHER SYSTEMS..You Guys even know The S-300 will go after surface targets...we think..the same as the block upgrades for the standard missile hitting ground/sea targets because of the visual advances in 3-D radar.
From all the Intel I have and learned this conflict would be outside the thought processes of mankind in carnage, not knowing and in the end no one wins. I can just see some poor sap in some CIC radar room and his monitor goes blank and then on and off tracking 4,000 planes, ships, drones, missiles and then BAMMMM. Look at the gap in WW1 20years to ww2 then fast forward to now 60+ years and hear we are. any war with the exception of say US vs Iraq or Iran but two first rate HI Tech armys will be an absolute shocker in the way war is fought.
I base this mostly on how I was able to look down onto a wadi and killed 14 APC in less than 4 minutes. My big boy killed 120+ men in those 4 minutes. I wonder If they had thermal vision and KORNET would I still be alive as I had a failure to fire on both my cadillacs and manual 3 turns with the electric charger primer then tossed the HEAT out of the tank while continued to kill with the Ma deuce and thank god the 7.62mm coax M240 will go through a MTLB at 200 meters. next morning went down saw my handy work and pucked my guts out.mankinds technology can be serious killers.
Neither side will have a true concept of the absolute devastation they will strike down on each-other. it will be falklands times 10,000....Look, during desert storm it not like I was playing a video game were you have total situational awareness. All kinds of information filters down and then becomes absolute chaos. During Iraqi freedom via close friends it was a complete??? Thats why the whole thing was kept so simple with a two pronged attack. They"my friends" in the business say any war with the PRC would be Information overload,chaos,over and under situational awareness while at the same time super sonic KH-31A/P are hitting anything with radar while we are popping off HARMS of are own.
Next not to mention JH-7,Q-5s J-8, SU-30 and cruise missiles will make runs on ALL airfields, Kilo and Song boats firing torps and ASM at anything that has a wake or radar/sonor signature. Fast attack boats with more ASM firing at anything that scares them. Ballistic missiles by the hundreds falling on The RoC while cruise Missiles from the RoC and F-16 make north and south runs against the PRC outside of the S-300 box. It would be 360o warfare from all angles and angles we dont even know about yet.
THIS TALK OF AIRSUPERIORITY IS JUST TO SIMPLE MINDED GIVEN THE ADAVANCES IN OTHER SYSTEMS..You Guys even know The S-300 will go after surface targets...we think..the same as the block upgrades for the standard missile hitting ground/sea targets because of the visual advances in 3-D radar.
From all the Intel I have and learned this conflict would be outside the thought processes of mankind in carnage, not knowing and in the end no one wins. I can just see some poor sap in some CIC radar room and his monitor goes blank and then on and off tracking 4,000 planes, ships, drones, missiles and then BAMMMM. Look at the gap in WW1 20years to ww2 then fast forward to now 60+ years and hear we are. any war with the exception of say US vs Iraq or Iran but two first rate HI Tech armys will be an absolute shocker in the way war is fought.
I base this mostly on how I was able to look down onto a wadi and killed 14 APC in less than 4 minutes. My big boy killed 120+ men in those 4 minutes. I wonder If they had thermal vision and KORNET would I still be alive as I had a failure to fire on both my cadillacs and manual 3 turns with the electric charger primer then tossed the HEAT out of the tank while continued to kill with the Ma deuce and thank god the 7.62mm coax M240 will go through a MTLB at 200 meters. next morning went down saw my handy work and pucked my guts out.mankinds technology can be serious killers.
Last edited: