maozedong
Banned Idiot
please see the article which I posted in " The 100th raptor is here" thread,you can save many many of the fighters and pilots lives.
China can and will achieve total air superiority over Taiwan
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please see the article which I posted in " The 100th raptor is here" thread,you can save many many of the fighters and pilots lives.
bud, you have to be kidding me. you think 25-100 F-22 will mean a hill of beans against the full weight of the PRC military. Bud, do you think that the 1.3 billion china-man are stupid? They are putting out military grade engineer's, and all sorts of stuff to counter the U.S.
F-22...dont look big... have your 10GHz radar prosser look for the Mach 1.9 chimpanzee testicle flying through the air. or the side aperture satellite shoot down on top of the plane. you will get a return.....
Pointblank
Senior Member
How the heck are you going to put a weapon onto target? We have seen in Red Flag exercises that getting a weapons lock on a F-22 is virtually impossible, even when you see the F-22 right in front of you. We have seen only 2 'kills' of F-22's in training exercises, and both were done through gun kills.
==Note, the reason why it was impossible to lock on to F-22 with in visual range during Red Flag Exercises was because the F-16's and F-15's didn't not have HMS or AIM-9X, so they had to point their noses at the F-22 to lock, but they couldn't do it because the teens weren't as manoeuverable as the F-22. Also, most of those exercises were conducted in isolated environments in which the participants receive little electronic or AWACS support.
red flag, blue flag, green flag.....good god you have to be kidding me. you are going to compare a staged liner war game to a real all out war....I give up. I am done
Please condisder joining the U.S air force and flying a F-22 within 10 miles of china under war time. you wont be posting anymore.
F-22 indeed impressive but launching an arsenal of 100 Raptor against the full weight of the PLA to retain air superiority over China home soil. Your just fooling yourself here.
Now with this simulation stuff about the ridiculous 100+ kills the Raptor did its completly BS and overated. First a single Raptor doesnt have enough air to air missles and Secondly its CR gun isnt gonna score high percentage hits either.
Now PLAAF has an arsenal of 400+ fighter jets that can deploy BVR missles, and these 400+ fighter jet pilots are the elites of the PLAAF. And so are the Raptors of course so yeah that just contradicts everything.
Home soil no way, but further out of its air defence missle coverage and fighter jet operational range. US will have a dominant position.
Now with this simulation stuff about the ridiculous 100+ kills the Raptor did its completly BS and overated. First a single Raptor doesnt have enough air to air missles and Secondly its CR gun isnt gonna score high percentage hits either.
Now PLAAF has an arsenal of 400+ fighter jets that can deploy BVR missles, and these 400+ fighter jet pilots are the elites of the PLAAF. And so are the Raptors of course so yeah that just contradicts everything.
Home soil no way, but further out of its air defence missle coverage and fighter jet operational range. US will have a dominant position.
dh19440113
New Member
We all know PLAN has access to spy satelite, comm satelite and guidence satelite.
What about ROCN, the last time i checked, they don't have as much battlefield awareness as PLAN. Point taken the island's territirial water is small and landline comm is good. But ROCN doctrine of keeping PLA at arms length is hopeless, they don't have what it takes to operate in blue waters.
If you can't keep PLAN/PLAAF away, there are no way to save your infilstructure from destruction. That mean airfield, barracks and bases etc.
US may offer intelligence initially, but sending their own men at the start of hostility is impossible, any buildup of coalition force will take time. They won't go in blind. It took Un forces from beginning of auguest 1990 to january 15 1991 thats 6 month to begin hostilities. There are also other commitment in Iraq, Afganistan and North Korea is also an unknown when hostility breaks out. Don't count on F-22 going across the mainland, this weapon system is too sensitive to risk being shot down. A stealth craft can avoid ground radar, but it can't avoid a moving Awacs plane followed by a squadron of J-11/Su30 with IR missiles.
What about ROCN, the last time i checked, they don't have as much battlefield awareness as PLAN. Point taken the island's territirial water is small and landline comm is good. But ROCN doctrine of keeping PLA at arms length is hopeless, they don't have what it takes to operate in blue waters.
If you can't keep PLAN/PLAAF away, there are no way to save your infilstructure from destruction. That mean airfield, barracks and bases etc.
US may offer intelligence initially, but sending their own men at the start of hostility is impossible, any buildup of coalition force will take time. They won't go in blind. It took Un forces from beginning of auguest 1990 to january 15 1991 thats 6 month to begin hostilities. There are also other commitment in Iraq, Afganistan and North Korea is also an unknown when hostility breaks out. Don't count on F-22 going across the mainland, this weapon system is too sensitive to risk being shot down. A stealth craft can avoid ground radar, but it can't avoid a moving Awacs plane followed by a squadron of J-11/Su30 with IR missiles.
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Raptoreyes
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I don't know. The hardcore stealth technology that has not to our current knowledge been surpassed (the F-111 stealth and the Stealth bomber) might be used in the opening phases of the war. I doubt the Raptors or their possible Chinese equivalents will be committed to battle until the "Wild Weasel" forces on both sides first knock out radar and thermal stations on both sides that might be known for the potential of piercing the lesser grade stealth technology seen on the newest tactical fighters.
However your point about their being a informational fog of war so intense as to cause commanders on both sides to be overwhelmed by the data they receive... may just be correct.
and this issue of the U.S sending carrier battle groups into the straits of taiwan is just insane. One day....bamm..a carrier group disappears along with 7,000 U.S military men and women.
A 70 warplane attack (40 SU-30 and 30 JH-7 by the PRC backed by drones and ground launched ASM,subs and fast missile craft could be launched in less than a hour. It would be a disaster.
A 70 warplane attack (40 SU-30 and 30 JH-7 by the PRC backed by drones and ground launched ASM,subs and fast missile craft could be launched in less than a hour. It would be a disaster.
A carrier group is likely to stay east of Taiwan, where the island would form an immense natural barrier with its mountain tops that makes it difficult for an attack with low flying aircraft. The SAM defenses on the island would add to the defensive position of the carrier. It would be difficult for the PLAN to "access" the carrier without a twin pincer movement one north and one south of Taiwan.
My tip for people to play potential wargames is to use Google Earth. You can easily find the main Taiwan airbases and their relation to the geography there using GE's 3D terrain feature. You can come to your own conclusion about their securities and vulnerabilities there.
My tip for people to play potential wargames is to use Google Earth. You can easily find the main Taiwan airbases and their relation to the geography there using GE's 3D terrain feature. You can come to your own conclusion about their securities and vulnerabilities there.