Chengdu next gen combat aircraft (?J-36) thread

AndrewS

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I decided to rewatch Perun's 2 yrs old Youtube video on 6th gen fighters. His speculations on USAF version of NGAD manned fighter:
1. Tailless & perhaps triangle shaped
2. Very large, approaching the size of a traditional bomber
3. Very powerful power generation capabilities
4. At minimal twin-seated, perhaps 3 or even 4 seated.

Could it be that J36 doesn't just have side-by-side twin seats but also a back row of one or two additional seats? I mean if you want to have four seats you'd want to have two seats on the front row. And that seems to be a major potential motivation for having a side-by-side arrangement.

BTW Perun also thought DoD was right to have 2 separate manned 6th gen fighter programs. He suggested that DoD could further improve on it by having a dedicated light carrier for drones.

To be honest relistening to that old episode in light of recent developments kinda improved my perception of Perun. He must have known his stuff if his predictions and suggestions for the US turned out to be pretty much spot on ...for the PLA.

Well, China and the US have the same requirements aka air dominance in the Western Pacific over vast distances.

A few years ago, my ballpark guess was that to support a single naval drone - a light carrier and a full-size carrier would work out about the same cost. Given his defence economics background, he probably came to a similar conclusion.
 

Deino

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Guys, we all know, some US- and other guys are coping hard at the moment, but we shouldn't post here stupid videos and claims on X and wherever only to mock them! This does not improves or keeps the quality high!
 

siegecrossbow

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Yankee's latest piece on CHAD:

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Apparently he has been lurking here lately and taking notes on what people said:

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He likes the warship reference and considers whoever made the above post a "fast thinker" (可见还是有反应足够快的洋人的)

He included the latest update to this meme that added the tricycles for the poor PLAGF?

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In the article he confirms that the J-20S taking the video used new engines, probably WS-15.
 

Clark Gap

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From the same article, this part on the PLAAF’s thoughts on the CCA matches everything I have been saying about the proper role of drones in a high end 6th gen fight.

DeepL translation with my edit:
< From the above, we have answered the question of why our "Strong Military Wingman" (Guancha’s nickname for PLA CCA) is a high-end aircraft that is different from the enemy's "Loyal Wingman" concept from the very beginning, in terms of the common subsystems within the system and how to accomplish the mission in the face of a strong enemy. The core advantage of the "Strong Wingman" is that it enables worry-free maneuvering in air combat by omitting the pilot and his/her supporting systems, and eliminates the impact of human error on mission accomplishment, while "cheapness for the sake of cheapness" such as reducing specifications should not be a distraction in the development process. With this core principle in mind, the two major R&D bases of China's aviation industry for fighter jets actually have a technological foundation accumulated since the beginning of this century, which is sufficient to be transformed into a "strong military wingman": the Dark Sword high-mobility UAV, which made its debut at the Zhuhai Airshow in 2006, and research on countering the HiMAT high maneuverability UAV from Rockwell; there is also the fifth-generation light fighter program competition, which adopts a single engine configuration similar to the Russian Su-75 "checkmate" with no canard no horizontal stabilizers to perform penetration strike.

DEEPL is outdated, you can use this latest AI translation chrome plugin:
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The free version will do, just select the zhipu BigModel inside. If you want to spend a bit of money for higher-level translation, buy the deepseek v3 API and add it in. It's very cheap per million tokens, and you can use it only for a few high-level translations.
 

siegecrossbow

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Yankee's latest piece on CHAD:

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Apparently he has been lurking here lately and taking notes on what people said:

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He likes the warship reference and considers whoever made the above post a "fast thinker" (可见还是有反应足够快的洋人的)

He included the latest update to this meme that added the tricycles for the poor PLAGF?

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A lot of very good information in the article about CHAD. I suggest anyone interested in CAC’s overall design philosophy to give it a read.
 

siegecrossbow

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Not related to this thread, Deepseek3 has made as much of a shock in the LLM as CHAD and Shengad have in the military aviation. It is very cheap to train and use, high quality, and fast to generate, just crazy.

Does anyone still have that picture with Pan Zhanle and Black Myth Wukong on it? Time to make new additions…
 

Jason_

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Part 2 of my infographics series on how I expect the PLAAF will use the J-36. PLAAF CCA will be included after their public flight test. Please check out part 0 and part 1 as well. Feel free to share.

This time I describe how I think the J-36 can be used in defensive counter air to defeat large well-supported numerically superior hostile strike groups.

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siegecrossbow

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Part 2 of my infographics series on how I expect the PLAAF will use the J-36. PLAAF CCA will be included after their public flight test. Please check out part 0 and part 1 as well. Feel free to share.

This time I describe how I think the J-36 can be used in defensive counter air to defeat large well-supported numerically superior hostile strike groups.

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Where are the unmanned PlAAF assets?
 
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