055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

[plawolf]

Personally I think dual load of the VLS cell is a fan-made idea, we can't deny the weapon system (missiles) will be redesigned to fit the platform (for quad load if needed), if PLAN is committed to 055's VLS size. The real progress here is standardization which will achieve efficiency in the future. The future is important because new concept will emerge.

The 055 uses the PLAN’s new standardised universal VLS, that is also already used on the 052D. And the UVLS comes in a variety of depths suitable for use on ships from cruisers down to corvettes.

It is almost certain that the 054B next gen FFG will also field the new UVLS.

Those are ships of the future, whereas the 052C and 054As are the current mainstays, but there is no question that the lion share of future new weapons will be designed with the UVLS as their primary user. If they can be retrofitted to the 054A’s VLS, then great, but it’s not a deal breaker if not.

The PLAN would have thought long and hard before deciding on the dimentions of their new UVLS, and dual packing of long range SAMs is a serious possibility since it would be one of the more obvious reasons for going with such massive dimensions. The 112 cells is a direct result of choosing the larger cells, as they could easily have packed 128 or more cells in hard their settled for a smaller cell size.

In that respects, the PLAN is actually leapfrogging the rest of the world that has standardised on the US MK41, as it not only makes dual packing a real possibility (thereby given the 055 a theoretical 224 long range SAMs war load!), it also allows the PLAN ships to carry significantly larger missiles. Think AShBMs and hypersonic gliders launched with small ballistic missiles from surface ships.

That is a capacity simply not possible with MK41s with current or near future tech.

With the new UVLS, the PLAN holds the potentially to fundamentally outgun everything else using MK41s in both quantity of missiles as well as in terms of the reach and punch of those missiles.

I am actually a little surprised the USN isn’t making a far bigger fuss about this since unlike all the other instances of crying wolf, this is actually a situation where the US is facing the real possibility of being comprehensively overmatched.

Although the cynical part of me suspects that Washington will have its freak out about this as soon as a major US arms manufacturer comes out with their own big diameter next gen VLS. Until then, there is no profit in raising this issue.

 

[FORBIN]

The 055 uses the PLAN’s new standardised universal VLS, that is also already used on the 052D. And the UVLS comes in a variety of depths suitable for use on ships from cruisers down to corvettes.

It is almost certain that the 054B next gen FFG will also field the new UVLS.

Those are ships of the future, whereas the 052C and 054As are the current mainstays, but there is no question that the lion share of future new weapons will be designed with the UVLS as their primary user. If they can be retrofitted to the 054A’s VLS, then great, but it’s not a deal breaker if not.

The PLAN would have thought long and hard before deciding on the dimentions of their new UVLS, and dual packing of long range SAMs is a serious possibility since it would be one of the more obvious reasons for going with such massive dimensions. The 112 cells is a direct result of choosing the larger cells, as they could easily have packed 128 or more cells in hard their settled for a smaller cell size.

In that respects, the PLAN is actually leapfrogging the rest of the world that has standardised on the US MK41, as it not only makes dual packing a real possibility (thereby given the 055 a theoretical 224 long range SAMs war load!), it also allows the PLAN ships to carry significantly larger missiles. Think AShBMs and hypersonic gliders launched with small ballistic missiles from surface ships.

That is a capacity simply not possible with MK41s with current or near future tech.

With the new UVLS, the PLAN holds the potentially to fundamentally outgun everything else using MK41s in both quantity of missiles as well as in terms of the reach and punch of those missiles.

I am actually a little surprised the USN isn’t making a far bigger fuss about this since unlike all the other instances of crying wolf, this is actually a situation where the US is facing the real possibility of being comprehensively overmatched.

Although the cynical part of me suspects that Washington will have its freak out about this as soon as a major US arms manufacturer comes out with their own big diameter next gen VLS. Until then, there is no profit in raising this issue.

2 HQ-9 of about 50 - 55 cm minimum with canister can't dual packed it is obvious as had say kurutoga but you dream...
In addition CJ-10 is more big so PLAN need a big VLS it is all.
But 2 SM-2 of 34 cm + canister have more chance in a Mk-57... he do 71 cm but i don't think coz i am objective it is the difference.
It is obvious you don't post for objective technical points

And don't to be terrified by Western

 

[Lethe]

All three ships equipped with Mk. 57 won't be carrying any SM-2s, let alone two per cell.

Talk about dreaming...

 

[FORBIN]

All three ships equipped with Mk. 57 won't be carrying any SM-2s, let alone two per cell.

Talk about dreaming...

Off topic your a specialist and it is not me which dream here

 

[antiterror13]

Off topic your a specialist and it is not me which dream here

so every time you lost an argument .. you say off topic ? nice try

Be a gentlemen ... just accept it

 

[FORBIN]

so every time you lost an argument .. you say off topic ? nice try

Be a gentlemen ... just accept it

2 missiles in a cellule don't fit and 0 proofs as had say kurutoga and others reliable members not as as you both !

You can't the 24 december stop harass Western People even if you have a other religion BTW reported i know you... BOTH

 

[latenlazy]

2 missiles in a cellule don't fit and 0 proofs as had say kurutoga and others reliable members not as as you both !

You can't the 24 december stop harass Western People even if you have a other religion BTW reported i know you... BOTH

So...someone calling your comments dreaming is “harassment” worth reporting, but you calling someone else’s comments “dreaming” isn’t?

 

[FORBIN]

So...someone calling your comments dreaming is “harassment” worth reporting, but you calling someone else’s comments “dreaming” isn’t?

Yes i think some consider it in relation with " Chinese Dream " so unhappy, hungry but the word exist so how i post, i write ? after when i say dream i means don't exist.

But here it is really not very pleasant for Westerners coz it is obvious he add USA and Europe etc... i know him

https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/type-055-ddg-large-destroyer-thread.t6480/page-499#post-487904​

But good demand and i think despite the staff since several weeks do good job still to do again some moderation

 

[longmarch]

玻璃心碎了一地。
Glass heart shattered. Too fragile.
Come on, this is online forum, not kindergarten. Each entitled to its own opinion.

 

[plawolf]

So...someone calling your comments dreaming is “harassment” worth reporting, but you calling someone else’s comments “dreaming” isn’t?

Careful, I pointed out his hypocritical nonsense not long ago, he sent me a ranty PM and has been stalking me ever since taking petty pot shots and running to the mods with all sorts of reports of imagined ‘infractions’.

I just put him on my exclusive ignore list since I can’t remember the last time he posted anything worth reading, and every time I see the other side of a pointless argument he started with some pointless and petty flamebait, I’m glad of that decision.