055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

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cunnilingist

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Reading through the recent pages I was under the impression that people only talked about DDGs and rarely gave their opinions on them. That's why I said I was interested in people's personal opinions and didn't bother going through this thread.

I did a search for "Burke" and read through the pages.

The general consensus is that the 055 is equal to a Flight IIA Burke. Would you agree?
 

Jiang ZeminFanboy

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Reading through the recent pages I was under the impression that people only talked about DDGs and rarely gave their opinions on them. That's why I said I was interested in people's personal opinions and didn't bother going through this thread.

I did a search for "Burke" and read through the pages.

The general consensus is that the 055 is equal to a Flight IIA Burke. Would you agree?
I can anwser, but such comparisons will start a flame war, and are undesirable.

No.
For me 055 is considerably stronger, i would say almost (1,5X - 2x Burke flight 2A.) I am pretty confident that type 055 is currently and will be the strongest DDG for quite a while.
 

antiterror13

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I can anwser, but such comparisons will start a flame war, and are undesirable.

No.
For me 055 is considerably stronger, i would say almost (1,5X - 2x Burke flight 2A.) I am pretty confident that type 055 is currently and will be the strongest DDG for quite a while.

do not continue please ..... :mad:
 

Jeff Head

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I can anwser, but such comparisons will start a flame war, and are undesirable.

No.
For me 055 is considerably stronger, i would say almost (1,5X - 2x Burke flight 2A.) I am pretty confident that type 055 is currently and will be the strongest DDG for quite a while.
The Burke does not have as many VLS cells it is true...but we KNOW what she is capable of launching from her cells while we are surmising with the Type 055.

In addition, I believe the ASW and Sonar capabilies of the Burke IIA are probably consoderably stronger than the Type 055, and the helos she is carrying are very procieinet as well while we have not seen which helos the Type 55 ill carry.

So, while the Type 055 is larger and has 16 or so more VLS cells, I would not say at this date that it is gor sure stronger than the Nurke IIA, and certainly not 1.5 times as strong for sure.

As to other vessels which OI consider stronger.

I still believe ther Ticonderoga class AEGIS vessels are stronger, and I believe the Korean Se Jong class (KDX III) are stronger.

ANd that is saying a lot! That the PLAN from where it was 15 years ago cand produce a ship that we are comparing like this is nothing short of pretty amazing.
 
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FORBIN

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Reading through the recent pages I was under the impression that people only talked about DDGs and rarely gave their opinions on them. That's why I said I was interested in people's personal opinions and didn't bother going through this thread.

I did a search for "Burke" and read through the pages.

The general consensus is that the 055 is equal to a Flight IIA Burke. Would you agree?

The 055 is more poweful ofc but a Burke is close don't forget Burke are in fact with a displacement of 9000 t and 96 - 98 missiles more close than a CG than a DDG.
And the 052D whis is very good is clealy less powerful a true DDG if i can say.

If you compare with a 052D Burke have + 33 % of " tubes " ( - 15 % than a 055 ) and mainly much more capable for ASW with 2 very good MH-60R vs only one small Z-9C or Ka-28 and there the 055 with later 2 Z-18F provide a change.
 
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Iron Man

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Reading through the recent pages I was under the impression that people only talked about DDGs and rarely gave their opinions on them. That's why I said I was interested in people's personal opinions and didn't bother going through this thread.

I did a search for "Burke" and read through the pages.

The general consensus is that the 055 is equal to a Flight IIA Burke. Would you agree?
I would not agree, not after I saw the generator setup on the 055. If the various pictorials and design videos we have seen in the aftermath of the 055's rollout are correct, then the 055 has SIX GT generators. Even if each of them only output 3MW of power, that would still make 18MW total available generator power. By comparison the Flight IIA Burke has 9MW available power and the Flight III has 12MW available power. This says to me that the 055 is very likely using GaN technology in its AESA(s), which improves power density by several dozen times and effectively more than doubles the range and sensitivity of radars using the older GaAs MMIC technology. If the big rectangular plate on the mast is an X-band AESA like many of us think it is, that means the 055 has a powerful X/S-band GaN AESA combo. By comparison the Flight IIA uses the older GaAs S-band PESA (AN/SPY-1D), while the Flight III will use a GaN S-band AESA (AN/SPY-6), eventually coupled also with a fixed X-band AESA.

Now all this does not automatically make the 055 superior to the Flight IIA, but the 055 also has the benefit of additional (U)VLS cells that in addition to that could also theoretically pack more missiles per tube than the Mk 41 cells. If the depictions of the 055's stern are correct, then the 055 will have a VDS in addition to its TAS, which combined with the dual helicopters will make the 055 definitively superior to the Flight IIA in ASW; the Flight IIA in case you didn't know not only does not have VDS, it does not even have TAS (TACTAS was deleted from all Burkes starting with Flight IIA).

The intangibles unfortunately are things we have no ability to gauge on the internet as military enthusiasts, and by that I am referring to software and overall crew effectiveness. I would have to give the edge to the USN in both of these areas given their significantly longer history of operating modern ships and designing radars and combat systems. Then again, nobody really knows how much the PLAN has been able to catch up in these areas. I would have to say from a purely military enthusiast's mostly uninformed opinion, the 055 is almost certainly superior to the Flight IIA and at least the equal if not superior to the Flight III, when viewed in the context of only the ships themselves. When you add in crew effectiveness, software, weapons, and fleet coordination (e.g. CEC, Link 16, ISR, etc), the ignorance on our part grows to the point of utter useless speculation.

I now reported
cunnilingist
for hideous nickname; let's wait and see if my English failed me
I think "cunninglinguist" would have been less offensive (and simultaneously more humorous and subtle), but I do agree the current username is rather blatant. :D
 

Jeff Head

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Okay, I found a 1/350 scale Type 055 I have purchased and I am going to detail it out according to what we have already seen.

The first couple of pictures are the model this 3D print are based upon, I will then take that and detail it out with the proper CIWS and aft missile launcher, as well as the proper ESW and other launchers (Decoys and what not) as well as the proper antennae on the main mast and elsewhere.

I should get it right around Christmas (very fitting) and will then add it to my Laioning Group which consists already of two Type 054A, two Type 02Ds and one Type 093 SSN, all in 1/350 scale...of course with the Liaoning as well.

I can then compare that to a US CBS with two Burke IIAs, a Ticonderoga, two of the uparmed Freedom class LCS for ASW FFGs, and a Virginia class SSN, that being matched together with the USS Ronald Reagan.


Type055-000.jpg Type055-001.jpg Type055-003.jpg Type055-005.jpg Type055-006.jpg

It's going to be nice.
 

Skywatcher

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The Type 055 and Ticonderoga/KDXIII comparison goes to the old choice between having a higher mass of ammunition (via the Type 055's bigger VLS, and if HenriK is right, an insane amount of onboard power generation), or a higher number of individual munitions (the Ticonderoga's 10-16 more cells).

Like the US Army officer essay question of picking between the T-34 or Panther that a friend told me about, a strong case be made for either.
 

Iron Man

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The Type 055 and Ticonderoga/KDXIII comparison goes to the old choice between having a higher mass of ammunition (via the Type 055's bigger VLS, and if HenriK is right, an insane amount of onboard power generation), or a higher number of individual munitions (the Ticonderoga's 10-16 more cells).

Like the US Army officer essay question of picking between the T-34 or Panther that a friend told me about, a strong case be made for either.
The only thing that the Tico has going for it over the 055 is the higher number of VL cells, and in the context of a 055 that could potentially dual-pack its HHQ-9s and CY-5s, this numerical superiority might possibly be all but eliminated.

Ticonderoga AAW loadout:
90-96 SM-2/6 in 90-96 cells
32 ESSM in 8 cells
16 LRASM in 16 cells
8 VLA in 8 cells

055 AAW loadout:
104 HHQ-9 in 52 cells
32 HHQ-26 in 32 cells
32 MRSAM in 8 cells
16 YJ-18 in 16 cells
8 CY-5 in 4 cells
 
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