055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

[Jeff Head]

The only thing that the Tico has going for it over the 055 is the higher number of VL cells, and in the context of a 055 that could potentially dual-pack its HHQ-9s and CY-5s, this numerical superiority might possibly be all but eliminated.

Ticonderoga AAW loadout:
90-96 SM-2/6 in 90-96 cells
32 ESSM in 8 cells
16 LRASM in 16 cells
8 VLA in 8 cells

055 AAW loadout:
104 HHQ-9 in 52 cells
32 HHQ-26 in 32 cells
32 MRSAM in 8 cells
16 YJ-18 in 16 cells
8 CY-5 in 4 cells

Well, first of all there is no indication at all to this point that the dual packing of the Chinese missiles is a reality.

Second, the US Tico has the 128 VLS plus the eight Harpoon, so in reality it is 136 missiles versus 112, or 24 more missiles from the start...and the quad packing of the ESSMs is a conformed reality and fact.

Finally, even if the missile count were the same, which at this point there is no definitive word that they are or will be, the US has decades of actual operational experience for its personnel, and much more mature and finely tuned integrated technology that has been used, refined, and developed far more than the LAN has been able to or had time to do with their own...including very sophisticated and successful capabilities in handing off control of their assets to any of their ships with the comms and control capabilities.

All of these things matter and will make a difference.

Now, as most know, I am very impressed with what the PLAN has done and have been tracking their progress steadily over the last 15-20 years and speaking strongly regarding it to my own peers and contacts within the Navy and defense establishment, and my fellow members at the USNI..

What they ()the PLAN) have done in getting away from the vintage 50s technology of the Luda and other classes to the fine Type 052Ds and now Type 55s, a well as the Type 054A/B and the Type 056...not to mention throwing in true fixed wing carrier operations...is simply phenomenal and cannot and must not be under-estimated.

However at the same time, the PLAN and PRC cannot (and I can almost guarantee you they are not) underestimating or discounting the technology that the US employs all around in terms of EW, ASW, Comms, detection, acquiring, targeting, etc. that they (the US Navy) has spend decades in developing, maturing and perfecting. They well know that the US has a definitive lead in those arenas and they are spending a lot of time and money in picking up and ramping up their own training and development to deepen their own operational experience

 

[Iron Man]

Well, first of all there is no indication at all to this point that the dual packing of the Chinese missiles is a reality.

Second, the US Tico has the 128 VLS plus the eight Harpoon, so in reality it is 136 missiles versus 112, or 24 more missiles from the start...and the quad packing of the ESSMs is a conformed reality and fact.

I'm pretty sure I've made it abundantly clear that my missile loadouts are speculative and depend on several unconfirmed/unknown factors, including dual-packing HHQ-9/CY-5, the existence of a PLAN MRSAM, and GaN AESA. Of these I find the third possibility most likely, the second possibility a matter of time, and the first possibility a theoretical mental exercise only for now.

Finally, even if the missile count were the same, which at this point there is no definitive word that they are or will be, the US has decades of actual operational experience for its personnel, and much more mature and finely tuned integrated technology that has been used, refined, and developed far more than the LAN has been able to or had time to do with their own...including very sophisticated and successful capabilities in handing off control of their assets to any of their ships with the comms and control capabilities.

All of these things matter and will make a difference.

However at the same time, the PLAN and PRC cannot (and I can almost guarantee you they are not) underestimating or discounting the technology that the US employs all around in terms of EW, ASW, Comms, detection, acquiring, targeting, etc. that they (the US Navy) has spend decades in developing, maturing and perfecting. They well know that the US has a definitive lead in those arenas and they are spending a lot of time and money in picking up and ramping up their own training and development to deepen their own operational experience

I've said as much in not so many words. Experience counts, software counts, fleet integration counts. All of these things count, but unfortunately they also happen to be the most intangible and unquantifiable aspects of combat strength, making it essentially impossible to make a truly accurate and informed comparison (at least from our perspective).

 

[Jeff Head]

I'm pretty sure I've made it abundantly clear that my missile loadouts are speculative and depend on several unconfirmed/unknown factors, including dual-packing HHQ-9/CY-5, the existence of a PLAN MRSAM, and GaN AESA.

It was not my intent to imply otherwise, just to make sure it was stated straight up from my own perspective.

I've said as much in not so many words. Experience counts, software counts, fleet integration counts. All of these things count, but unfortunately they also happen to be the most intangible and unquantifiable aspects of combat strength, making it essentially impossible to make a truly accurate and informed comparison (at least from our perspective).

I believe, while they may not be easily quantitatively measured in terms of say comparing the number of weapons...they certainly are well known to any experienced naval force and their planners...and their impact can be even more telling than a few more weapons.

I believe the Chinese understand this and are doing their very best to mitigate it by spending a lot of money and time at sea and in all sorts of exercises to develop the policies and heories they will need to perfect. They know it and they are working...but just as it took the US Navy many decades to get to the level of operational expertise and the tempo they are able to operate at and mantain...it will take the PLAN time to do the same.

While they are doing so though, at the same time, the US Navy...and any other force worth its weight in salt...will not underestimate the PLAN, articularly given the amount of time they are spending at sea and execising.

You can tell that they are serious and that they are squared away and proud of what they have done...they will go a long ways in getting them to where they need to be.

 

[kurutoga]

Dual packing does not make sense - these are equal size squares in a square, so it will be either single pack or quad pack or 16-pack.

HHQ9 is just a tiny bit too large for a 85cm square to quad-pack. According to some info, HHQ9 is about 45cm in diameter which requires at least 93cm square, I assume 1cm walls

 

[Iron Man]

Dual packing does not make sense - these are equal size squares in a square, so it will be either single pack or quad pack or 16-pack.

HHQ9 is just a tiny bit too large for a 85cm square to quad-pack. According to some info, HHQ9 is about 45cm in diameter which requires at least 93cm square, I assume 1cm walls

Here you go:

Each pixel in this graphic is 0.5cm.

 

[Jura The idiot]

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I think "cunninglinguist" would have been less offensive (and simultaneously more humorous and subtle), but I do agree the current username is rather blatant.

I don't share your sense of humor, and I think
SuckMyD1ck

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shouldn't have been accepted here, but since it was, I reported it Yesterday at 8:20 PM in the hope it'd get barred

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[Iron Man]

I don't share your sense of humor

Skillful linguistics is a very useful skill to have, so don't be a negative nelly!

 

[latenlazy]

Skillful linguistics is a very useful skill to have, so don't be a negative nelly!

What about cunning linguistics.

 

[Jura The idiot]

@EagleHead !

Are you the same as @Anonymous Fighter ... and @backfire too??

We are not a fan-boy site, so please stop posting fan-boy videos only.

Deino

Deino please look also at the nickname here:
cunnilingist

Reading through the recent pages I was under the impression that people only talked about DDGs and rarely gave their opinions on them. That's why I said I was interested in people's personal opinions and didn't bother going through this thread.

I did a search for "Burke" and read through the pages.

The general consensus is that the 055 is equal to a Flight IIA Burke. Would you agree?

(posting whiskey bar reasoning, by the way)
what nickname is coming next, perhaps H0rnySlut??

 

[Blitzo]

What about cunning linguistics.

something something maths debating.

a bit of juvenile humour is funny now and then, but I agree with jura that having it as a username is a bit much