055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

[Jura The idiot]

Deino please look also at the nickname here:
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(posting whiskey bar reasoning, by the way)
what nickname is coming next, perhaps H0rnySlut??

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I could't decide which ranks to use so I went with generic ranks. We can switch to Chinese societal ranks instead of military but being this is a military focused forum, military ranks are more appropriate.

 

[latenlazy]

something something maths debating.

a bit of juvenile humour is funny now and then, but I agree with jura that having it as a username is a bit much

I couldn’t help myself.

 

[Jura The idiot]

Dual packing does not make sense - these are equal size squares in a square, so it will be either single pack or quad pack or 16-pack.

HHQ9 is just a tiny bit too large for a 85cm square to quad-pack. According to some info, HHQ9 is about 45cm in diameter which requires at least 93cm square, I assume 1cm walls

there're options posted:

And now for the pièce de résistance :
View attachment 43122
Some reference diameters:
HHQ-10 - 12cm
RAM Block I - 12.7cm
RAM Block II - 15.9cm
LY-60 - 20.3cm
Tor/9M331 - 23.5cm
9M96E - 24cm
ESSM - 25.4cm
SM-2MR - 34cm
S-300 (up to 5V55U) - 45cm
S-300 (later versions) - 50cm
Tomahawk - 52cm
SM-3 Block II - 53.3cm
Klub - 53.3cm

#92 Iron Man, Nov 13, 2017

(credit of course belongs to Iron Man)

 

[delft]

I've said as much in not so many words. Experience counts, software counts, fleet integration counts. All of these things count, but unfortunately they also happen to be the most intangible and unquantifiable aspects of combat strength, making it essentially impossible to make a truly accurate and informed comparison (at least from our perspective).

Nowadays USN is losing experience. Sea time is too long, shore time too short to satisfy wives. Evidence: two destroyers being hit by merchantmen this year and the comments that followed these incidents.

 

[duncanidaho]

Well, first of all there is no indication at all to this point that the dual packing of the Chinese missiles is a reality.

Second, the US Tico has the 128 VLS plus the eight Harpoon, so in reality it is 136 missiles versus 112, or 24 more missiles from the start...and the quad packing of the ESSMs is a conformed reality and fact.

I thought the Ticos have only 122 cells (2X61 cell, because of the crane).

 

[Jura The idiot]

I thought the Ticos have only 122 cells (2X61 cell, because of the crane).

LOL! don't tell Iron Man:
#3107 Iron Man, May 13, 2017

Iron Man
I'm NOT talking about cranes being thrown away (of course they are) ... I'm talking about Ticos still having one-hundred and twenty-TWO cells ready to use, but you still may convince me it's not the case!

a Tico with one-hundred and twenty-EIGHT cells ready to use at present:

Ok, WTF are you even talking about at this point. Are you trying to imply that cranes are being deleted with them subsequently NOT being replaced by full 8-cell VLS modules? Is this actually what you're claiming? The point of spending money to delete the cranes is then... what, exactly? I think you should FULLY think through what you are actually trying to claim here.

BTW I still need that photo of your brain. You may still be able to convince me!

 

[FORBIN]

The only thing that the Tico has going for it over the 055 is the higher number of VL cells, and in the context of a 055 that could potentially dual-pack its HHQ-9s and CY-5s, this numerical superiority might possibly be all but eliminated.

055 AAW loadout:
104 HHQ-9 in 52 cells
32 HHQ-26 in 32 cells
32 MRSAM in 8 cells
16 YJ-18 in 16 cells
8 CY-5 in 4 cells

Your numbers don' t exist you have 0 proofs for more than a missile by cellule 0 proofs thinking you more reliable serious really !

 

[FORBIN]

 

[Iron Man]

Your numbers don' t exist you have 0 proofs for more than a missile by cellule 0 proofs thinking you more reliable serious really !

Did you or did you not read the posts I have written to Jeff Head on this exact subject???

 

[FORBIN]

Dual packing does not make sense - these are equal size squares in a square, so it will be either single pack or quad pack or 16-pack.

HHQ9 is just a tiny bit too large for a 85cm square to quad-pack. According to some info, HHQ9 is about 45cm in diameter which requires at least 93cm square, I assume 1cm walls

In the fund we are agree
For canister all are squared so the circle with the graphic....

Did you or did you not read the posts I have written to Jeff Head on this exact subject???

Ok many posts... but please let's move on.