055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

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FORBIN

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Thanks Forbin for your effort. Do we have the paragraph starting 'Thirdly' as I think you might have missed it while copying and pasting them paragraph by paragraph?
Automatic translation problem ! if one want udapte
There also other things linked with this new in fact Cruiser true things behind but here i don't think reasonnable mentionned it
 
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kurutoga

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From Pop 3 a souce enough special

Sounds like they adopted some practices based on "System Theory" so the design is more flexible and can maintain global optimization even after adjustments, and keeping risk in check all the time.

Previously it could be a strict waterfall type of model that the constraints of each subsystem is rigid. Once each subsystem is designed and integrated, there won't be any chance to make global optimizations without breaking everything. If the requirements change, it can cause issues.

I am sure my speculation is super simplistic. If that is the case, this sort of progress in design methodology is often called in other domains as "from passive to active" system design.
 
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In the 2017 DoD report about china, the type 055 destroyer is considered a cruiser. Why is it so?

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interestingly, searching "055" (just Ctrl-F) in that document shows:

"China is also constructing the larger RENHAI-class cruiser (CG), called the Type 055 by the PLAN."

(it's at p. 25; 33 of 106 in PDF)

does it mean Renhai would be the NATO designation?
 
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In the 2017 DoD report about china, the type 055 destroyer is considered a cruiser. Why is it so?

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Because of its size and capability.

The US Ticonderpga is a cruiser, so the US considers something that is actually a heavier displacement with similar capabilities a cruiser.

I tend to agree...and believe we could consider the Korean Se Jong class (KDX III) a cruiser as well.

The RUissians with their Slava and Kirov classes are also cruisers, thought the Kirovs might be onsidered Battle Cruisers...or even the modern equivalent of Battle Ships.

I personally would also class the Zumwalt as a cruiser...even if it only had the 80 VLS cells. They are a heavier VLS cell with larger cells that are deeper and will handle larger missiles and future missiles. The Zumwalt will also be able to handle lasers and rail guns when they are available

Anyhow, in todays world the lines between classes have blurred considerably. There are many "Frigates" out there that are, again IMHP, actually destroyers.

Oh well...each nation is free to class their combatants how they see fit.
 
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I personally would also class the Zumwalt as a cruiser...even if it only had the 80 VLS cells. They are a heavier VLS cell with larger cells that are deeper and will handle larger missiles and furure missiles. ...
am wondering what's the status of Mk57 VLS, as I now briefly used google to find nothing recent except bashing, and the NavalTechnology article about some BAE contract is dated 22 August 2012 (twenty-twelve) so it's not even worth linking now

what did I miss?
 
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longmarch

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Codename RENHAI is very unflattering, more likely it intends to be ”人海” rather than "仁海", which means "human wave".

Luda, luhu, luhai, luzhou, luyang are all fine, but RENHAI made it unnecessarily emotional.

Typically when China is accused of "human wave”, there is a certain mentality you can assume of the accusers.
 
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