055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

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Blitzo

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The 055, at 13,000 tons is not a destroyer. it will be a cruiser.

The Type 052D is not what I would call a transitional vessel, it is their top of the line destroyer. I expect they will build 12-18 of them...but we shall see.

In her superpower prime, operating 72 very modern major surface combatants will be a very significant force.

I do not expect China to rise to the point where she ever has, or wants, the type of world wide maritime commitments that the US Navy has. So that many FFGs, DDGs, and CGs is going to be a very potent and massed force.


The 052D is their top of the line destroyer... at the moment. And at all accounts they will be building 12 of them (things may change in future, they might order another 6, but it is unlikely at this point).

The number of potential 055s is directly linked to the kind of navy the PLAN wants to field by 2030.
I personally expect an equal number of "frigates" (054A, and its successor), and "destroyers" (052C/D, 055). So if we use 72 FFG + DDGs combined, we'll have 32 of each

(I lump 055 as a destroyer, and 054A's successor as a frigate, because both I expect will be larger than what is traditionally called a destroyer or frigate respectively.)

The question therefore, is whether the PLAN will seek to develop a 7000-8000 ton sized 052D successor, or if they will simply cease production of 052D sized vessels in favour of the heavier 055. In that sense, buidling 30 055s by 2030 might make sense, because by then, all the DDGs built in the 2000s and earlier will likely start to retire. So that are the pairs of 052C, 052B, 051C, and everything before it (the four sovremenny's, the 052s, 051B). So that is 13 vessels that will need replacing by 2030, if not earlier (considering those ships will have quite done quite a few voyages by then).
Will the PLAN replace them with a new 8000 ton DDG? Or just the 055? If it is the latter, then 30+ 055s may make sense, especially if we consider that the PLAN may seek a larger navy overall. 30 055s combined with the preceding 16-18 052C/Ds, will make about 48 "DDGs".

In my mind, I can imagine the PLAN seeking a fleet of ~100 modern, "A team" surface combatants, similar in number to the current USN's combined burke + tico combo. The difference is that half of the 100 surface combatants will be FFGs made up of 054A and its successors, so the PLAN will be less top heavy, and will still displace much less than the USN's surface combatnat force of combined DDG, CG, FFG, LCS displacement today.

Given the PLAN's expected economy and global interests by 2030, such a fleet composition is not unreasonable imo.

(I suppose I'm seguing into future fleet composition now, but whatever)

So my idea of the PLAN's "critical mass" surface combatant force by 2030+:
48 "DDGs": 052C/D, 055/A
48 "FFGs": 054A, 054A successor

This will be an effective doubling of fleet number for their current blue water capable surface combatants, and a manyfold increase in blue water capable combatant tonnage and capability. It may seem a lot, but considering by then, the PLAN will likely start to retire their shorter ranged 022s, 056s, and other shorter ranged ships, it is more reasonable. They will have plentiful personnel and facilities to reassign.

That said, I expect the PLAN will retain a force of 056 displacement light frigates for lower intensity missions in the region, but that depends on the geopolitical climate.
 

latenlazy

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Hehehe...and if you read my initial point, that's exactly what I said they would have to do.

As it is, I do not believe they will build thirty 13,000 ton full load cruisers by 2030.

I personally believe they will build at least 12, if not 18 Type 052D vessels.

Then, when they start the Type 055, I would expect to probably see 6-8 of those.

With the Type 054A FFGs and probably at least 12-16 follow on FFGs they will have 32-36 very modern FFGs.

With the Six Type 052Cs and the 12-18 Type 052Ds they will have up to 24 very modern DDGs. (Not to mention the others DDGs they have, four to eight of which are not going away anytime soon).

So, 32-36 FFGs, 32 or more DDGs, and up to 8 CGs. That's what I would expect to see in the 2030 time frame. That's around 72 major surface combatants and that is a large number.

16 years from now we can get back together and see what they actually have.

Oh, and that does not include what I believe will be at least 40 of the Type 056 light frigates or corvettes that will also be in operation in that time frame.


I know, and I was just saying that it's feasible :p. I think my point was mostly just that the number may look suspicious, but it's not so unreasonable that we can rule it out. It would certainly be a very dramatic change, but over the span of 20 years if this is the force they want to build it's more doable. Even if it's not 30 055s but 30 054s they would need to expand the number of yards that could handle that capacity, and, to be frank, I don't think 30 more DDGs is an unreasonable number for the PLAN. When we're talking about a span of time this long geopolitical forces have a large role in determining the final force count but if I were to throw my hat in on a number right now, 50 might not be a bad ball park figure for DDGs (but then I think the PLAN is aiming to greatly expand its reach, even outside of the Pacific).
 
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no_name

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And also to keep in mind that they will be running this alongside other projects such as carriers, possibly LHD, maybe more LPDs and other logistic ships.
 

no_name

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Rumoured to be the electromagnetic compatibility testing platform for the 055's systems, not sure if include actual superstructure model. They chose a bad angle and maybe it was a sneaky shot.

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You can see the Wuhan carrier testing platform/model to the left and behind.
 

Blitzo

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Looks like the superstructure is incomplete, and still in "primer" and the mast is currently just a big grey block -- however it definitely has the geometry of a surface combatant's deckhouse.

The superstructure seems to be quite wide and broad, which gives me hope 055 will be zumwalt esque in that regard. And it may also slightly support the idea of the 23m beam from that post a while ago.


Here's to hoping for more pictures of this site. It certainly isn't strange for PLAN to build a dedicated testing facility for a new cruiser sized destroyer!
 

no_name

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Here is the most recent google map. You can see what seems like building fundations being prepared to the lower right of where the carrier building is.

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Since we have photos of the side view of the carrier building already, maybe we won't have to wait long for similar views of this superstructure.
 

Blitzo

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The red structure on top is what is important -- note the faceted surfaces, and the horizontal "line" running along the structure which would be where the future bridge's windows (portholes/squares?) will be cut. Also note the grey central "tower" which will probably be used for a foundation for the (hopefully) integrated mast.


Also, the fact that it is literally a stone's throw away from the Liaoning EM testing facility means it's definitely no ordinary structure ;)
 

SinoSoldier

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All Chinese defense forums are now buzzing with a supposed photo of the model of the top part of the ship superstructure in radar test.

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no_name

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Someone mentioned there being another smaller superstructure for a frigate sized ship.

057 maybe? ;) One can hope.

Also it is quite close to the Wuhan technical college of communications...lucky bastards :D
 
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