055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread
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The only photo of the Chinese artillery round is show in the top right hand corner near the PLZ05:
SinoSoldier
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Is there a particular reason why it can't adopt both to ensure a low CEP, such as the LT3 precision guided munition?
There's nothing stopping it, the question is whether anyone needs an artillery shell to have ultra low CEP in the first place.
After all, ultra low CEP is usually needed for avoiding collateral damage rather than actually hitting the target, which laser or satellite can do sufficiently.
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The Norinco GP6 155 mm could engage surface targets, says
Yes, but the PLAN probably isn't interested in a 155mm gun in the foreseeable future. 130mm is enough for general purpose as well as extended range NGFS munitions.
The GP6 is for land based artillery.
there is another option which is inertial corrected.
on-round mems based accelerometers corrects the trajectory according pre-programed flight path. used in rocket artillery. cheaper than GPS. less accurate.
Laser means you have a designator at end. it will not be off target if the round is not too far in flight path.
Hongjian posted this write up and drawing over on CDF (which was in turn cross posted from cjbdy).
I'm not entirely sure how accurate it is, but the write up is supposed to be a summary about 055's details, gathered from posts by various insiders (including pop3). At any rate, it is providing a very, very detailed list of what 055 might feature, with dates, upgrades, and subsystems.
Take it with salt as always
感谢yoyo_navy提供的设想图。以下是我根据花花以及pop3这些内部人士提供的蛛丝马迹设想的方案。055的基本定位就是中国海军2030年之前的远洋驱逐舰主力，航母编队撑伞主力，全面压制爱荡和伯克IIA，基本和最新型的伯克III相当。需要有超强的单舰综合能力，良好的远洋航行性能，良好的续航力和自持力（这方面比美帝要求更高，因为我们没有海外基地），以及巨大的升级潜力。注意到最近有些日本媒体称其为“超级驱逐舰”，我也很喜欢这个名字，所以就采用了这个名称。
吨位/尺寸/动力系统：
长186米，宽23米，长宽比约为8，远洋航行稳定性非常理想。吃水7.5米。
标准排水量10500吨，常用排水量12000吨，满载排水量13500吨，仅比DDG1000的满排少了几百吨。也就是说，055载油量大约为3000吨。续航力：18节时达到8000海里。
动力为4台QC280，燃燃联合推进，每台功率为25~28兆瓦，总功率至少100兆瓦，比DDG1000和英国女王航母的总功率更大（DDG1000和女王都是两台MT30加一些柴油机，总功率不超过80兆瓦），为以后装备定向能武器留足功率裕度。航速32节。无全电。综合全电版估计要等到2020年开始建造的055A才会有。
作战人员约250人。
雷达3部（都是有源相控阵体制）：
广域搜索跟踪雷达：海之星346A，4面S波段大。由于055吨位大，所以海之星的位置比052D抬得更高，所以盾的下沿对齐其烟囱的上沿。
远程警戒值班雷达：单面L波段大盾，位于后桅杆。类似于SMART-L。由于是长波雷达，具有良好的反隐身飞机能力。
海天线快速反应/火控雷达：X波段单面小盾，旋转；或者4面固定式X波段小盾。这个还没定，看具体需要。
注：这个还不是双波段雷达，S波段和X波段的后端是分开的。055同时上S，L和X波段雷达，兼顾了各种任务需要，而其有一定的备份冗余，抗打击能力强。而且这3种雷达，总数已经比052D或者其他战舰少了很多，已经很大程度上精简了雷达结构。
武器：
垂发：前48~64，后48~64，一共96~128枚。
近防炮：一前一后两个1130，为直瞄武器提供良好射界。保证055的任何一侧可以有22条管同时开撸，形成惊人的弹幕。
近防导弹：两烟囱之间左右各有一个24联装红旗10，一共48发近程弹。
主炮：130大吊。
左右侧3联装反潜鱼雷。
直升机：
双机库，2架直18或者直20，加若干无人机。注意到055由于长度充足，所以其机库与后垂发沿着中轴线是不重叠的，所以每个机库的宽度可以非常宽，甚至达到5~6米，每个机库紧急时可以搭载2架直升机。紧急情况（反潜或者搜救）下055可以搭载4架反潜直升机。
服役计划：
2015年初开建055基本型，大连和江南同时开建，保证2020年之前有至少4艘055基本型服役。2020年开建055A型综合全电版，保证2025年之前有15+艘服役，2030年有30+艘服役。
升级潜力：
巨大，这个舰体可以一直折腾到2030年都不会过期，甚至可以通过把长度略加长到200米，升级到满排16000吨。俩机库之间的空间目前没有安装太多武器，仅有一个近防1130。以后可以上其他武器，比如激光近防（但是需要055A实现综合全电方案）。另外，巨大的舰体以及充足的动力可以为以后装备超大功率的S/X双波段大型盾留足潜力。
欢迎大家对这个方案多提宝贵意见。
Basic translation:
dimensions: 186m long, 23m beam, 7.5m draft, 10,500 tons empty, 12,000 tons standard, 13,500 tons full (!!!)
8000 nm at 18 knots
Complement of 250.
4 QC-280, 32 knots. No IEPS for initial 055s but will instead feature on a post 2020 "055A"
Production to start in 2015, at both JN and DL, to ensure four are in service by 2020. 055A (with IEPS) start construction in 2020. Seek to have 15+ vessels (055 and 055A combined) in service by 2025 and 30+ vessels in service by 2030 (!!!)
Sensors: 1 L band radar like SMART L, 1 S band radar (probably same as 052D, mentions 346A), and 1 X band radar. The X band may be fixed four face or rotating. L, S, X band radars are all AESA.
Weapons: either 96 or 128 VLS cells (intersting that a ship of this supposed size may only end up featuring 96 cells, less than say ticonderoga, but I suppose the 14,000 ton zumwalt only has 80 Mk-57 PVLS too). Also, PJ-38 130mm gun, two 1130 ciws, 2 HQ-10. Mentions there is much room for weapons growth, as well as lasers once IEPS is available. Also two triple torpedo tubes of course.
Aviation facilities: hangar for two Z-18s or two Z-20s or a variety of UAVs -- however it notes they can set up "emergency hangars" (possibly extendable hangars??) that can allow the ship to carry 4 Z-18s or 4 Z-20s if the mission requires it, such as for ASW or search and rescue.
Future growth: says there is a lot of room for growth, and I think it says the hull itself could potentially be expanded to 200m long and 16,000 tons full, but I coudl be reading it wrong.
And once again, a disclaimer, I'm not sure how reliable this write up is.
There was also a preliminary (obviously not fully proportional) sketch accompanying it:
All in all, a ship of such dimensions, would be impressive, and be only a little smaller than zumwalt. More importantly, if PLAN really seek 30+ boats by 2030... Well dang. (And yes, it sounds way too good to be true)
I'm not entirely sure how accurate it is, but the write up is supposed to be a summary about 055's details, gathered from posts by various insiders (including pop3). At any rate, it is providing a very, very detailed list of what 055 might feature, with dates, upgrades, and subsystems.
Take it with salt as always
感谢yoyo_navy提供的设想图。以下是我根据花花以及pop3这些内部人士提供的蛛丝马迹设想的方案。055的基本定位就是中国海军2030年之前的远洋驱逐舰主力，航母编队撑伞主力，全面压制爱荡和伯克IIA，基本和最新型的伯克III相当。需要有超强的单舰综合能力，良好的远洋航行性能，良好的续航力和自持力（这方面比美帝要求更高，因为我们没有海外基地），以及巨大的升级潜力。注意到最近有些日本媒体称其为“超级驱逐舰”，我也很喜欢这个名字，所以就采用了这个名称。
吨位/尺寸/动力系统：
长186米，宽23米，长宽比约为8，远洋航行稳定性非常理想。吃水7.5米。
标准排水量10500吨，常用排水量12000吨，满载排水量13500吨，仅比DDG1000的满排少了几百吨。也就是说，055载油量大约为3000吨。续航力：18节时达到8000海里。
动力为4台QC280，燃燃联合推进，每台功率为25~28兆瓦，总功率至少100兆瓦，比DDG1000和英国女王航母的总功率更大（DDG1000和女王都是两台MT30加一些柴油机，总功率不超过80兆瓦），为以后装备定向能武器留足功率裕度。航速32节。无全电。综合全电版估计要等到2020年开始建造的055A才会有。
作战人员约250人。
雷达3部（都是有源相控阵体制）：
广域搜索跟踪雷达：海之星346A，4面S波段大。由于055吨位大，所以海之星的位置比052D抬得更高，所以盾的下沿对齐其烟囱的上沿。
远程警戒值班雷达：单面L波段大盾，位于后桅杆。类似于SMART-L。由于是长波雷达，具有良好的反隐身飞机能力。
海天线快速反应/火控雷达：X波段单面小盾，旋转；或者4面固定式X波段小盾。这个还没定，看具体需要。
注：这个还不是双波段雷达，S波段和X波段的后端是分开的。055同时上S，L和X波段雷达，兼顾了各种任务需要，而其有一定的备份冗余，抗打击能力强。而且这3种雷达，总数已经比052D或者其他战舰少了很多，已经很大程度上精简了雷达结构。
武器：
垂发：前48~64，后48~64，一共96~128枚。
近防炮：一前一后两个1130，为直瞄武器提供良好射界。保证055的任何一侧可以有22条管同时开撸，形成惊人的弹幕。
近防导弹：两烟囱之间左右各有一个24联装红旗10，一共48发近程弹。
主炮：130大吊。
左右侧3联装反潜鱼雷。
直升机：
双机库，2架直18或者直20，加若干无人机。注意到055由于长度充足，所以其机库与后垂发沿着中轴线是不重叠的，所以每个机库的宽度可以非常宽，甚至达到5~6米，每个机库紧急时可以搭载2架直升机。紧急情况（反潜或者搜救）下055可以搭载4架反潜直升机。
服役计划：
2015年初开建055基本型，大连和江南同时开建，保证2020年之前有至少4艘055基本型服役。2020年开建055A型综合全电版，保证2025年之前有15+艘服役，2030年有30+艘服役。
升级潜力：
巨大，这个舰体可以一直折腾到2030年都不会过期，甚至可以通过把长度略加长到200米，升级到满排16000吨。俩机库之间的空间目前没有安装太多武器，仅有一个近防1130。以后可以上其他武器，比如激光近防（但是需要055A实现综合全电方案）。另外，巨大的舰体以及充足的动力可以为以后装备超大功率的S/X双波段大型盾留足潜力。
欢迎大家对这个方案多提宝贵意见。
Basic translation:
dimensions: 186m long, 23m beam, 7.5m draft, 10,500 tons empty, 12,000 tons standard, 13,500 tons full (!!!)
8000 nm at 18 knots
Complement of 250.
4 QC-280, 32 knots. No IEPS for initial 055s but will instead feature on a post 2020 "055A"
Production to start in 2015, at both JN and DL, to ensure four are in service by 2020. 055A (with IEPS) start construction in 2020. Seek to have 15+ vessels (055 and 055A combined) in service by 2025 and 30+ vessels in service by 2030 (!!!)
Sensors: 1 L band radar like SMART L, 1 S band radar (probably same as 052D, mentions 346A), and 1 X band radar. The X band may be fixed four face or rotating. L, S, X band radars are all AESA.
Weapons: either 96 or 128 VLS cells (intersting that a ship of this supposed size may only end up featuring 96 cells, less than say ticonderoga, but I suppose the 14,000 ton zumwalt only has 80 Mk-57 PVLS too). Also, PJ-38 130mm gun, two 1130 ciws, 2 HQ-10. Mentions there is much room for weapons growth, as well as lasers once IEPS is available. Also two triple torpedo tubes of course.
Aviation facilities: hangar for two Z-18s or two Z-20s or a variety of UAVs -- however it notes they can set up "emergency hangars" (possibly extendable hangars??) that can allow the ship to carry 4 Z-18s or 4 Z-20s if the mission requires it, such as for ASW or search and rescue.
Future growth: says there is a lot of room for growth, and I think it says the hull itself could potentially be expanded to 200m long and 16,000 tons full, but I coudl be reading it wrong.
And once again, a disclaimer, I'm not sure how reliable this write up is.
There was also a preliminary (obviously not fully proportional) sketch accompanying it:
All in all, a ship of such dimensions, would be impressive, and be only a little smaller than zumwalt. More importantly, if PLAN really seek 30+ boats by 2030... Well dang. (And yes, it sounds way too good to be true)
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