055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

[Iron Man]

The US behind Ukraine factor is the key point that Iron Man has overlooked IMO. So no, DN-80 imported from Ukraine is not reliable at all. Building large number of destroyers based on imported power plant is too risky. Only when DN-80 is fully domestically built or its indigenous counterpart is ready, would it be wise to ramp up the production.

You are significantly overestimating any influence the US has on Ukraine, a fact that Russia learned fully when it annexed Crimea and is now annexing Ukraine's eastern borders without any action from the US except empty rhetoric. Ukraine, Russia and everyone else now knows that the US will do essentially nothing about Russia's advances. What real influence does the US have then on Ukraine? Especially when it comes to financial interests, if Ukraine lets slip that even potential big customers like China could have their sales significantly impacted by foreign governments' meddling, their sales will go plummeting. No, Ukrainian sales of anything to China will not be impacted by anything the US says or does, which is little to nothing in reality.

 

[delft]

You are significantly overestimating any influence the US has on Ukraine, a fact that Russia learned fully when it annexed Crimea and is now annexing Ukraine's eastern borders without any action from the US except empty rhetoric. Ukraine, Russia and everyone else now knows that the US will do essentially nothing about Russia's advances. What real influence does the US have then on Ukraine? Especially when it comes to financial interests, if Ukraine lets slip that even potential big customers like China could have their sales significantly impacted by foreign governments' meddling, their sales will go plummeting. No, Ukrainian sales of anything to China will not be impacted by anything the US says or does, which is little to nothing in reality.

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US has lost interest, Iraq, Syria and the elections are now more important.
But after Yanukovich abandoned the association/trade treaty with the EU with a chapter on defence which Russia saw as a threat to its trade with Ukraine as well as a threat to the naval base its was leasing on the Crimea, because Russia then offered trade concessions of more value than what EU offered, Rent-a-Mob appeared with a major role for Victoria 'F*** the EU' Nuland. Among the mob were extremists who were able to push through parliament a law, in the end not signed by the provisional president, to exclude the use of Russian and other minority languages from official use. This enabled the parliament of the autonomous region Crimea to vote a measure to secede from Ukraine while 'polite green men' prevented a military intervention by Kiev. The Crimean authorities then organized a referendum to get the agreement of the voters to accede to Russia. This saved for Russia the naval base and the lease of $500m per year.
The secession of Crimea was juridically very different from that of Kosovo from Serbia when foreign sponsored terrorists needed the support of more than two months of bombing by NATO before they were successful and which was similar to what happened in Libya in 2011.

 

[taxiya]

You are significantly overestimating any influence the US has on Ukraine, a fact that Russia learned fully when it annexed Crimea and is now annexing Ukraine's eastern borders without any action from the US except empty rhetoric. Ukraine, Russia and everyone else now knows that the US will do essentially nothing about Russia's advances. What real influence does the US have then on Ukraine? Especially when it comes to financial interests, if Ukraine lets slip that even potential big customers like China could have their sales significantly impacted by foreign governments' meddling, their sales will go plummeting. No, Ukrainian sales of anything to China will not be impacted by anything the US says or does, which is little to nothing in reality.

But US successfully "convinced" Germany (an European heavy weight) to cancel a Chinese acquisition of Axitron just a week ago, that was merely a dual tech. China can take that loss, but surely can not risk a possible loss the supply of power plant for a major Navy ship. The point is that one can not underestimate his rival and bet on luck or chance. In this regards, China is much more conservative compared to others.

 

[taxiya]

P.S. we are carrying away from 055 when we further the discussion to foreign relationship. Let's get back on topic.

 

[Iron Man]

But US successfully "convinced" Germany (an European heavy weight) to cancel a Chinese acquisition of Axitron just a week ago, that was merely a dual tech. China can take that loss, but surely can not risk a possible loss the supply of power plant for a major Navy ship. The point is that one can not underestimate his rival and bet on luck or chance. In this regards, China is much more conservative compared to others.

US and Germany are far more closely aligned than the US is with Ukraine, not to mention Germany is EU and trade embargo is still in place. Ukraine-China trade volume is significantly higher than Ukraine-US trade volume and rising yearly. Ukraine also happens to be cash-strapped with a bad economy looking for daddy warbucks (i.e. China) to come invest and offer loans. The US has nothing politically to offer Ukraine vis-à-vis Russia. Bottom line, Ukraine is not Germany, and Ukraine needs China far more than it needs the US. BTW, every single time China buys a foreign weapon system or subcomponent it's betting on "luck" and "chance". You think Russia is a stalwart supplier of goods to its customers? Just ask India about it. Has it ever held China back from buying from them? Good luck proving that.

 

[Jeff Head]

Let's get back on topic huys.

This is the PLAN Type 055 DDG thread, not abut US vs Ukraine vs German relations.

Thanks.

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[Deino]

Said to be a module for the second 055 DDG.

 

[Blitzo]

Said to be a module for the second 055 DDG.

View attachment 33882

Yeah, it looks like that module we saw a few weeks back and like the one we saw on satellite imagery.

At this point the 055 hull should probably be fully joined or very close to doing so. I imagine there are probably photos of it already taken but they probably judge it's not the right time to release them.

 

[A.Man]

055 got a new roof

 

[Tyloe]

well that blows. we'll just have to wait for launch for more sat pics.