054B/new generation frigate

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Kich

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Jaym said:
Apparently people dont realize that real war involves a battle of economics as much if not more than actual battles. Im saying that modularity might actually might make each ship more powerful... almost like adding an extra missile battery.

and many of those specialized hulls are useless in peace. Im not saying stop building specialized hulls. Just consider investing in multi mission cabability.
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Why are you still going on with this?

@Cloud_Nine_ gave you the perfect response as to why PLAN doesn't need them. Refer back to #2226 if you have to.

European Navies have no threat and have the luxury of building oversize poorly armed vessels to deal with pirates.
PLAN and USN are preparing to fight each other. They need cheap specialized vessels to maximize resource.
 
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Jaym

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Kich said:
Why are you still going on with this?

@Cloud_Nine_ gave you the perfect response as to why PLAN doesn't need them. Refer back to #2226 if you have to.

European Navies have no threat and have the luxury of building oversize poorly armed vessels to deal with pirates.
PLAN and USN are preparing to fight each other. They need cheap specialized vessels to maximize resource.
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No profit if PLAN and USN fight direct. You are misinformed about the nature of post cold war conflict.

I still think modularity brings many benefits in war and peace time. Maybe its disruptive technology but many benefits.
 
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Wrought said:
That's putting it mildly, his points are vague and vacuous with zero substantiation of any kind. Nothing wrong with the idea of modularity, of course, but "I think it's really cool" does not an argument make. The least he could do is bring along some numbers and evidence.
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vague? economically sustainable is a highly valid arguement you sycophant.
 
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Jaym said:
vague? economically sustainable is a highly valid arguement you sycophant.
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Yes, vague. "Economically sustainable" is nothing more than a bullshit buzzword, unless and until you present the specific numbers breaking down what costs are saved from what components in what process, and how you get from A to B. In other words, you need to show something of substance. Something concrete. Something useful.

But of course, we all know you won't.
 
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Jaym said:
vague? economically sustainable is a highly valid arguement you sycophant.
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He isn't wrong. The questions you're raising, in the context that we have, can only be answered with equivalents of "ehh, I guess?"

I'm not sure why you're continuing to pursue this line of discussion, and I'm not sure if you've only stumbled onto this forum earlier in the year or if you've read it extensively before, prior to actually making an account.

Regardless, as myself and others have pointed out, your arguments are vague, imprecise and lack grounding either in credible rumours or in terms of convincing logic (i.e.: you would need to clearly demonstrate a modular frigate would be highly likely to be preferable to PLAN requirements versus alternative/existing approaches, which you've failed to do).

My advice is to take the hint. This would be a very silly thing to require moderator input over.
 
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Jaym

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Wrought said:
Yes, vague. "Economically sustainable" is nothing more than a bullshit buzzword, unless and until you present the specific numbers breaking down what costs are saved from what components in what process, and how you get from A to B. In other words, you need to show something of substance. Something concrete. Something useful.

But of course, we all know you won't.
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im saying that a bunch of highly specialized hulls with not removable weapons is basically useless in peace time... and ultimately when the weapons become obsolete... a modular hull means i can swap out those weapons with other up to date weapons or some peace time payload.

Hell even in wartime i could probably swap them out with some other weapon i find more useful for a particular battle or just use the empty space for some kind of storage. im sure there are other benefits as well. thats why its being widely considered and implemented in the West.

There it is. rock solid concrete down to earth logic.
 
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Jaym

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Blitzo said:
He isn't wrong. The questions you're raising, in the context that we have, can only be answered with equivalents of "ehh, I guess?"

I'm not sure why you're continuing to pursue this line of discussion, and I'm not sure if you've only stumbled onto this forum earlier in the year or if you've read it extensively before, prior to actually making an account.

Regardless, as myself and others have pointed out, your arguments are vague, imprecise and lack grounding either in credible rumours or in terms of convincing logic (i.e.: you would need to clearly demonstrate a modular frigate would be highly likely to be preferable to PLAN requirements versus alternative/existing approaches, which you've failed to do).

My advice is to take the hint. This would be a very silly thing to require moderator input over.
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I was going to stop but then the sycophant got me started again
 
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