Short clip of the 054B FFG in question.
054B/new generation frigate
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Short clip of the 054B FFG in question.
Loading more weapons on them should not increase the marginal cost by too much.
Can a type 054B frigate launch YJ-21 missiles?
I'm sure the "engineering department" can figure out a way to swap out the current VLS cells for some larger ones.
So long as there's 9 meters of space below the deck then it is possible.
When WW3 happens, serious consideration will be given to unconventional ideas that under normal circumstances would be dismissed.
No, it doesn't have UVLS. Cells are too small to fit YJ-21. And I'm pretty skeptical of the idea that PLAN is looking to stick big strike missiles on a frigate even if they could. That's not their job.
I want to know if the PLAN would ever consider building a multi-mission frigate with modular components and a flex deck like a Danish Absalon class?
Maybe they are too focused on building Frigates that can conquer Taiwan than building ones that can be useful for other missions.
Maybe they are too focused on building Frigates that can conquer Taiwan than building ones that can be useful for other missions.
Why would they need those? European navies build larger-sized frigates with lighter armament and spacious multi-mission elements because they have limited budgets and fleet sizes, and, most importantly, the Soviet Union is gone. The frigates you mentioned only popped up after the end of the Cold War when the US no longer needed them to deal with Soviet subs. Air is free, and steel is cheap. Larger hulls are very cheap if you don't need to arm them heavily.
As for PLAN frigates, the most comparable example is the USN during the Cold War. PLAN's frigates are much more similar to the likes of Knox and OHP. Are we surprised that they come to the same conclusion when their design goals are both to support larger vessels in high-end warfare?
And it's not like USN has different ideas on what frigates should be like tho. When the Pax Americana era has ended and USN now needs to deal with near-pier powers again, surprise surprise the frigate they choose is Constellation... Constellation and the 054 series are both built as cheaper second-tier warships mainly focused on anti-submarine warfare while also being tasked with complementing fleet air defense.
The Royal Danish Navy doesn't need to fight the kind of fight USN and PLAN are invested in. They just need to sail around with USN and pretend they are more important than they actually are ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Was anyone surprised frigate designs like F125, when faced with slightly more serious threats than pirates with AKs, performed miserably during Prosperity Guardian? Like, don't get me wrong, I am not judging by any means. Different navies have different doctrines and needs, thus leading to different designs, and they are perfectly valid for being the way they are. Type 054As have pretty lacking living conditions compared to even Type 056s and I wouldn't want to be on a peacekeeping mission on the other side of the globe in one of those for like half a year. But I wouldn't want to be in an F125 either if I am dealing with a US Navy CSG.
Plus, USN and PLAN don't need their surface combatants to have like a big bay to carry containers in because they can just send big amphibious warships or hospital ships to carry out humanitarian missions.
In Chinese there is a saying 样样皆通，样样稀松, meaning "can do everything, but doing everything poorly". For a small (European) navy who has to do everything but no need to be excellent, that is a perfect choice. But it is waste of effort for PLAN who wants to be excellent in doing everthing.
Ppl here seem to be saying that a warship designed to have modular multi mission compartments will always be inferior in battle.
I believe this doesnt always have to be the case. I think modular compartments if done right may bring an element of economic sustainability to the PLAN which will have benefits in peace time as well as war time.
The Danish and the other European modular ship designs may just need to be improved. Does not mean modularity is a bad concept. I think the PLAN has the resources to experiment with this concept in its ship designs.
I believe this doesnt always have to be the case. I think modular compartments if done right may bring an element of economic sustainability to the PLAN which will have benefits in peace time as well as war time.
The Danish and the other European modular ship designs may just need to be improved. Does not mean modularity is a bad concept. I think the PLAN has the resources to experiment with this concept in its ship designs.
Correct, put all your eggs in one basket the end result is a DUCK, just ask USN with their LCS and the Constellation program.