Z-10 thread

[Dizasta1]

Well let's see what comes of this May be great news. China will provide 3 x Z-10 attack helicopters to Pakistan in 2015 for anti-terror operations.

Well if the news is true, then I would say that it was a long time coming. WZ-10 should be the natural choice for Pakistan Army, if the Gunship was approved for sale by China. It is an excellent weapon's platform and I only hope that it fulfils the operational requirements of the Army.

The need for Gunships to support our troops fighting ttP-terrorists, is urgent and should be addressed soon.

I am sure that Pakistan Army would waste no time in putting WZ-10 through it's paces and get it to the Ops-Theatre. As the fight against ttP, is intensifying even more so, after the Peshawar School Bombing.

It would interesting to see how the WZ-10 performs in the "Hot & High" conditions of the Mountainous Terrain of the North-Western Region of Pakistan.

 

[PanAsian]

Well if the news is true, then I would say that it was a long time coming. WZ-10 should be the natural choice for Pakistan Army, if the Gunship was approved for sale by China. It is an excellent weapon's platform and I only hope that it fulfils the operational requirements of the Army.

The need for Gunships to support our troops fighting ttP-terrorists, is urgent and should be addressed soon.

I am sure that Pakistan Army would waste no time in putting WZ-10 through it's paces and get it to the Ops-Theatre. As the fight against ttP, is intensifying even more so, after the Peshawar School Bombing.

It would interesting to see how the WZ-10 performs in the "Hot & High" conditions of the Mountainous Terrain of the North-Western Region of Pakistan.

It would make sense also from the perspective of operationally testing the Z-10 against low tech opponents. The Taliban of any stripe is nobody's friend right now and are unlikely to get up-to-date AA weapons from anybody. The Z-10 has to perform well in such an environment to test its basic qualities in order to be viable in a higher tech threat environment.

 

[asif iqbal]

It would make sense also from the perspective of operationally testing the Z-10 against low tech opponents. The Taliban of any stripe is nobody's friend right now and are unlikely to get up-to-date AA weapons from anybody. The Z-10 has to perform well in such an environment to test its basic qualities in order to be viable in a higher tech threat environment.

Such a deal if true would have to come with Chinese military advisors on the ground and would require both Pakistan and Chinese military's working together

Let's say after the first test and evaluation we could enhance the helos capabilities for specific needs

There would have to be a revised maintenance and overhaul procedure everything changes when operating environment changes like air filters, cleaning and down time

I hope in future Pakistan can establish a production like of Z-10 in Pakistan for build of say around 60 choppers

 

[SteelBird]

It's by news tribe not the most authentic channel but let's what and see what materialises

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I also heard about this deal on sina.com though I'm not sure how reliable this news is. I am just thinking; if China is about to supply this halo to Pakistan, why in such a small number? Are they just testing the halo or Pakistan doesn't have enough confidence on the bird?

 

[TerraN_EmpirE]

It's still a new Chopper and generally you pick up a small number of test articles to see if you really like it before going whole ham

 

[Dizasta1]

Such a deal if true would have to come with Chinese military advisors on the ground and would require both Pakistan and Chinese military's working together. Let's say after the first test and evaluation we could enhance the helos capabilities for specific needs. There would have to be a revised maintenance and overhaul procedure everything changes when operating environment changes like air filters, cleaning and down time. I hope in future Pakistan can establish a production like of Z-10 in Pakistan for build of say around 60 choppers

I heard the Turks were really keen on getting a deal for their T-129 Mangusta. They were really pushing for it on their visit to IDEAS-2014.

In my opinion, WZ-10 is still the better choice, since it has nothing which would be "sanction-able". As the trend goes these days, a country could get sanctioned for just about anything. And that is a big deciding factor for Pakistan, and many other countries for that matter. As you wouldn't want to be spending $$ billions and then hear that you expensive military hardware, is of no use what so ever. Since the T-129's OEM is a member state of the EU (Italy). I wouldn't put too much stock on that gunship, like ever!

A production line for WZ-10 would be a blessing, but I would rather see Pakistan Army set-up a heavy-duty maintenance and logistical support base for the Gunships, to keep'em prime and ready for battle. Like Pakistan Air Force have done for their French made, Mirages, over the years. Getting a production line going, would require an enormous amount of infrastructure, man-power and funding. On the other hand, if we can set-up a full-fledged Overhaul-Facility. Now that would really keep every Gunship greased up and ready to fight. And that too at a lower cost!

Always start small and aim big!

 

[Franklin]

I have doubts that WZ-10 is the best platform for Pakistan at the moment. The WZ-10 is mainly designed to hit tank columns and not to hunt down individuals on foot. The main danger in the Pakistan scenario comes from small arms fire and .50 cal guns and RPG's. They had to make compromises on the armour of the WZ-10 because of the engines. And there is also no IR supression either. So if Pakistan want the WZ-10 it should wait for a upgraded version with heavier armour, more powerful engines and better sensors. Those upgrades can happen relatively quickly all they need is the new engine (WZ-16 or an upgraded WZ-9) and they can dust up the old design and fit their newest sensors on it.

I mean Pakistan isn't doing that bad on the attack helicopter front as it has about 50 AH-1 Cobra's and those could go on for some years.

 

[TerraN_EmpirE]

That's probably why they only picked up 3 franklin. 3 prototypes is enough to start an evaluation. to see if it fits in there logistics training and doctrine. 3 is not a operational order it's early trials and maybe we will hear about 3 T129's being loaned for a fly off.

 

[tphuang]

I have doubts that WZ-10 is the best platform for Pakistan at the moment. The WZ-10 is mainly designed to hit tank columns and not to hunt down individuals on foot. The main danger in the Pakistan scenario comes from small arms fire and .50 cal guns and RPG's. They had to make compromises on the armour of the WZ-10 because of the engines. And there is also no IR supression either. So if Pakistan want the WZ-10 it should wait for a upgraded version with heavier armour, more powerful engines and better sensors. Those upgrades can happen relatively quickly all they need is the new engine (WZ-16 or an upgraded WZ-9) and they can dust up the old design and fit their newest sensors on it.

I mean Pakistan isn't doing that bad on the attack helicopter front as it has about 50 AH-1 Cobra's and those could go on for some years.

where did you get that they had to make compromises to the armour of the Z-10?

 

[asif iqbal]

I have doubts that WZ-10 is the best platform for Pakistan at the moment. The WZ-10 is mainly designed to hit tank columns and not to hunt down individuals on foot. The main danger in the Pakistan scenario comes from small arms fire and .50 cal guns and RPG's. They had to make compromises on the armour of the WZ-10 because of the engines. And there is also no IR supression either. So if Pakistan want the WZ-10 it should wait for a upgraded version with heavier armour, more powerful engines and better sensors. Those upgrades can happen relatively quickly all they need is the new engine (WZ-16 or an upgraded WZ-9) and they can dust up the old design and fit their newest sensors on it.

I mean Pakistan isn't doing that bad on the attack helicopter front as it has about 50 AH-1 Cobra's and those could go on for some years.

Actually situation is quite different

WZ-10 or Z-10 whatever we call it is best option for PA, T-129 uses American parts and is a very expensive opinion and actually Turkey also offered 3 x T-129 to PA as a special offer but I think at this time that deal is not ideal for Pakistan

With China we know what we are getting and know that no problem will arise with spares in future and supply chain won't be cut by USA the platform maybe compromised but it does not outweigh the advantages

Currently PA has only 37 active AH-1 cobra helos and until recently not all of them had night vision, of the 37 of these 10 are stationed on frontline 10 as back up and 10 in reserve and google some of those helos they are really in a bad state almost to the extent of failing apart

AH-1 usually fly in pairs with Bell 206 or Bell 412 as scout which is not armoured so I would hope that if Z-10 deal is reached between China and Pakistan then Z-19 as a scout can also be excercised

Chinese attack helicopter is best deal for PA no question about it the platform can mature as time goes on like the JF-17 to become a fully armed attack helicopter for all conditions

I really hope the news is true and we see some action on the ground