Z-10 thread

[plawolf]

If this crash was a result of the Z10 flying into powerlines, then someone stewed up big and heads will roll.

It is a positive that both pilots survived, I remember the Americans lost a couple of Apaches and all crews when something similar happened as they were training in preparation for going into Serbia back during the Kosovo conflict, so that gives you a good indication of how dangers it is for helicopters to fly into powerlines.

 

[Jeff Head]

The fuselage looks very banged up, but I wonder how the crash seats held up.

Are the pilot and WSO ok?

These pictures look to be from two different crashes.

Here, we see the helo on the ground in an open field.

...and then here, in these two, we see the helo on the ground near power line structures.

IMHO, these photos are clearly from two different events.

 

[delft]

If this crash was a result of the Z10 flying into powerlines, then someone stewed up big and heads will roll.

It is a positive that both pilots survived, I remember the Americans lost a couple of Apaches and all crews when something similar happened as they were training in preparation for going into Serbia back during the Kosovo conflict, so that gives you a good indication of how dangers it is for helicopters to fly into powerlines.

A few years ago a Dutch Army Apache flew into power lines and left a community without power for many days. IIRC both crew survived.

 

[plawolf]

These pictures look to be from two different crashes.

Here, we see the helo on the ground in an open field.

...and then here, in these two, we see the helo on the ground near power line structures.

IMHO, these photos are clearly from two different events.

Nah, the position of the plane as well as the houses in the background all match.

I think the photos with the power pylon were taken some distance away (hence why we got nice clear pictures as whoever took them had time to set up the shot rather than have to quickly snap one while trying to avoid being seen doing so my the police), behind the power pylon, which, without a reference for field of view, cause the pylon to appear to be far closer to the crash Z10 than it actually is.

 

[Jeff Head]

I think the photos with the power pylon were taken some distance away, behind the power pylon, which, without a reference for field of view, cause the pylon to appear to be far closer to the crash Z10 than it actually is.

I think, in the second picture I posted, it is clear that the power structure is very near the helicopter.

You can see the shadows of the pylons on the body of the helicopter.

Based on those shadows, IMHO, it seems almost a certainty that the WZ-10 pictured there, is not the same as shown in this photo:

But, perhaps it is all a trick of the lighting, angles (the first is taken more from behind the helo than the second), etc. It just seems to me that the power line towers are close enough in the first, that something of them would at surely show in the second.

 

[plawolf]

The shadows on the airframes looks to be from the rotor blade and that half snapped antenna to me.

If you look at the pictures, the angle the tail lies on the ground, the broken open access panel, even the way the canopy section snapped off and is lying at a slight angle to the main body of the plane, it all matches pretty well. All that seems like too much of a coincidence for me to think that those are two deprecate crashes.

 

[Equation]

Here's my take, it could be two different sites.

1. The roof tiles on those houses are red on one photo, meanwhile brownish grey on the other.

2. Also the peel off white panel seems to be in a different location to the cock pit.

 

[vesicles]

More than likely, it is the trick of lighting and distance, etc. it must be the same chopper. The way it sits on the ground and all the places that have been broken look identical in both photos. Compare the broken tail, the broken spine behind of engine, and even the white metal plate that came off the engine and is hanging off the plane, etc... They all look identical. Even though the white plate looks to be at different locations in different photos, the fact that the same plate hangs off the plane in a strikingly similar manner suggests that it is the same plane. The different position of the plate may be caused by different angle of camera shots and someone might have moved it, or it has moved on its own. Don't forget that this is a metal plate that fell off the engine compartment and that it might be hanging off the plane by merely some wire. It could easily have moved an inch or fallen off a little more between the shots.

 

[luhai]

It could be they just drag the thing out of the way from the the power lines, so they are load it on a truck. You can see the same building in both pictures as well.

 

[Equation]

It could be they just drag the thing out of the way from the the power lines, so they are load it on a truck. You can see the same building in both pictures as well.

They could, but highly unlikely. Look at the mud on that very soft field. They would be having trouble getting enough traction to pull it.