Z-10 thread

[andyhugfan]

Well, There could be input from anywhere cause it is known that Chinese were asking about rotor construction on an airshow... But I doubt they cannot come up with something on their own. Surely is is handy to copy good design then bad own development but still...

Waar het vandaan komt zal joost weten, ze hebben een leuke attack heli...

Tis voor mij pas leuk alsie 16 ATGM's, 2 pods en nog met twee QW-1 derivaten op en onder zijn stompjes kan dragen...

 

[Deino]

China do not need help. You are Certainly of China needs help on Y-20? Where did you get that information, That is malign and posioning. I challenge you to provide evident. China has already gather far enough knowledge and technology to do the design and know how. It needs nobody help. Everything is pure domestic effort for Y-20 except the engine.

Just one final question regarding Your repeated posting of ...

Your conclusion is based on stereotyping and perception.

... why are then so many problems with an even simpler, even less demanding and better known design like the MD.90-based ARJ-21 ???? China needed help, even the complete wing was designed by Antonov, they have reliability problems and resulting delays over and over again .... surely since they made it assisted by foreigners.


Anyway, the only one - even more in mind of these latest revealings - who is not getting facts right, who has only personal opinions and emotion and who's statements are not based purely on facts are You ! To take otherone's posting as a personnell offence - why do You take as a "malign and posioning" ??? - is alone the best prof of You for being unemotional and that You are basing on FACTS !


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Deino

 

[Lion]

Just one final question regarding Your repeated posting of ...



... why are then so many problems with an even simpler, even less demanding and better known design like the MD.90-based ARJ-21 ???? China needed help, even the complete wing was designed by Antonov, they have reliability problems and resulting delays over and over again .... surely since they made it assisted by foreigners.


Anyway, the only one - even more in mind of these latest revealings - who is not getting facts right, who has only personal opinions and emotion and who's statements are not based purely on facts are You ! To take otherone's posting as a personnell offence - why do You take as a "malign and posioning" ??? - is alone the best prof of You for being unemotional and that You are basing on FACTS !


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Deino

Stop name calling, Deino. I can resort to even worst name calling that if you think you are the real man by asking other to be adult? As a moderator, I expect you to set an example.

I do not want to put continue Y-20 things on this thread. If you still want to challenge my point. Let's get back to Y-20 thread and continue. I will rise up to your challenge because I know you have no facts to counter my point.

 

[MiG-29]

Now watch all the Russian fanboys and media try to distort and exaggerate Russia's tiny contribution out of all proportions to reality and claim credit for the entire WZ10 programme

now watch Plawolf trying to minimize the Russian contribution, of course i guess you were some how part of the design team who knows all the details so i can take your post an official response.

Globalization is cooperation contrary to your nationalistic rants, Russia and China will cooperate more and more in aviation, that is what economically and technologically the best for both nations and a subproduct of globalization.

Is not weakness of China or Russia to cooperate with each other but a better way to cheapen aircraft programs and share risks.

 

[Deino]

Agreed, it was a mistake to be so offensive - I apologise ! - but honestly again Your simple black or white thinking makes me MAD !

As such I think we both should simply agree that we disagree ... and end that debate !? Agreed ??

Deino

 

[Quickie]

If this is any thing, I bet the same fanboys who said the WZ-10 is just a clone of some western attack heli will start to have amnesia and begin to say something to the contrary.

 

[Deino]

If this is any thing, I bet the same fanboys who said the WS-10 is just a clone of some western attack heli will start to have amnesia and begin to say something to the contrary.

At least no-one can blame again that the Z-10 was simply again a Chinese copy of a Western design like the A.129 Mangusta or Tiger ... so it were the Russians who copycated a European design!

Deino




PS: since I don't want to offend anyone ... that was a JOKE !

 

[jobjed]

Russia and China will cooperate more and more in aviation.

Ha ha ha.... no. China is reducing their reliance on Russia and will be completely free of it very soon. Before, it was Chinese money and Russian tech. Now, China has surpassed Russia in BOTH of these categories, what do Russians have to offer? Nothing; at least not to China. But fear not, India will be your loyal customers for many years to come.

 

[escobar]

Ha ha ha.... no. China is reducing their reliance on Russia and will be completely free of it very soon. Before, it was Chinese money and Russian tech. Now, China has surpassed Russia in BOTH of these categories, what do Russians have to offer? Nothing; at least not to China. But fear not, India will be your loyal customers for many years to come.

I'm not sure china has surpassed russia in aviation tech, maybe in some fields but certainly not overall. What is certain is china is closing the gap.

 

[escobar]

Globalization is cooperation contrary to your nationalistic rants, Russia and China will cooperate more and more in aviation, that is what economically and technologically the best for both nations and a subproduct of globalization.

more and more or less and less?? Military aviation is strategical for world big powers. they don't cooperate to develop military aircraft unless they are very close ally (even between ally it's very hard). As china and russia aren't really ally it will not happen. Globalization does not mean what you are thinking.

Is not weakness of China or Russia to cooperate with each other but a better way to cheapen aircraft programs and share risks.

It's not about weakness or strength. So do you think they should cooperate to develop their next gen bomber or ICBM in order to cheapen and share risks?