Z-10 thread

[Jovian]

Is there any other photos of that poster? In particular, the "?..?41/Z-10" part of the poster. What is Kamov's designation for that design.

The Z-10 project had been on of the high profile but "secrective" projects of the PLA that I've been following (as best I can) for a quite a few years. It will be interesting to find out what was Kamov's contributions to the design. Also wondered why have Kamov and Sergei Mikheyev decided to reveal this now? Does this have something to do with the induction of the Z-10 into PLA service? Also, why did the PRC/PLA go with the single main rotor design given that Kamov is famous for the dual rotor design (of attack helo)?

... will wait for more info and updates.

 

[ahadicow]

Mentioned in the video that Z-10's weapon operatior sits behind pilot. If it isn't another newbie mistake by the Chinese journalist then it is a rather unconventional arragement of seats.

 

[andyhugfan]

This started as a rumor before when a member allegedly working on this project posted on this forum, saying Kamov designed it. with no further proof it died quickly. Now it's confirmed.

I think Russians are jealous about Chinese development and buying less Russian hardware. They are quite screaming for attention now with 'look at me we designed this helicopter almost 20 years ago, the Chinese did nothing!'

Like we say in dutch: 'mustard after the meal'

http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/search.php?searchid=120187

 

[AssassinsMace]

So it was the Russians that stole everyone elses attack helicopter design!

 

[Quickie]

In these days, anyone can fake all sorts of realistic paperwork that is worth nothing more than the paper itself.

 

[Munir]

This started as a rumor before when a member allegedly working on this project posted on this forum, saying Kamov designed it. with no further proof it died quickly. Now it's confirmed.

I think Russians are jealous about Chinese development and buying less Russian hardware. They are quite screaming for attention now with 'look at me we designed this helicopter almost 20 years ago, the Chinese did nothing!'

Like we say in dutch: 'mustard after the meal'

http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/search.php?searchid=120187

Well, There could be input from anywhere cause it is known that Chinese were asking about rotor construction on an airshow... But I doubt they cannot come up with something on their own. Surely is is handy to copy good design then bad own development but still...

Waar het vandaan komt zal joost weten, ze hebben een leuke attack heli...

 

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[kroko]

You can see a list of posts made by nifiga in sinodefence forum that hyde posted in MP.net. hyde appears to lurk in sinodefence but it seems he doesnt like this forum (comon join this forum, i know that you are seeing this post)

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Base on what nifiga says, the way i see it is that this goes back to 1995/1996 (almost 2 decades ago). At that time im sure china didnt knew anything about attack helis (in fact im sure china didnt knew much about a lot of things tech), so they contracted kamov. After that, and in the next 10 years, china developed (or got help developing) the equipment and changed a little of the design. This is not unsurprising because at that time china didnt have squat experience developing attack helis and needed urgently an attack heli.

China´s knowledge today has nothing to do with 1995 knowledge. Even now they are certainly getting help form antonov with y-20 (never developed heavy lift aircraft before). China cant afford to spend decades developing what others have already developed. I dont know why anyone should be worked up because of that.

 

[plawolf]

So the Russians were asked to do very preliminary conceptual design work that most likely did not go beyond the basic drawings such as those show, and scale model wind tunnel tests. What of it? That is the most basic and easiest step in designing something, and a smart thing for the Chinese to do as Kamov's experience with attack helicopter design should help them to avoid any obvious conceptual pitfalls and mistakes. It gave the Chinese a good starting point, but all it gave them were a basic shape and some size estimates for the weight and performance class they were aiming for.

The real hard work of turning these basic concepts into reality was all done by the Chinese themselves.

Now watch all the Russian fanboys and media try to distort and exaggerate Russia's tiny contribution out of all proportions to reality and claim credit for the entire WZ10 programme, and/or make the same lameass 'the WZ10 is a rejected Russian proposal so its inferior to current Russian attack helos' claims. Just like they tried with the J10, J20, Y20 and pretty much every successful original Chinese project any Russian company had any part in, no matter how minor or tenuous.

Ask a Russian whether he likes the paint scheme and the next thing you know, the fanboys are claiming the whole project would not have happened without Russian advice.

 

[Lion]

China´s knowledge today has nothing to do with 1995 knowledge. Even now they are certainly getting help form antonov with y-20 (never developed heavy lift aircraft before). China cant afford to spend decades developing what others have already developed. I dont know why anyone should be worked up because of that.

China do not need help. You are Certainly of China needs help on Y-20? Where did you get that information, That is malign and posioning. I challenge you to provide evident. China has already gather far enough knowledge and technology to do the design and know how. It needs nobody help. Everything is pure domestic effort for Y-20 except the engine.

Your conclusion is based on stereotyping and perception. Go to Y-20 thread and take a good look. Being first time for such jumbo jet doesn't means it impossible. By your theory of first time, J-20 shall also be impossible because its a first time attempt? By your theory, China shall make a similar F-117 then they are qualify to make a J-20? Is that the case? Mig has already come out with a announcement that they did not provide any single help in development of J-20? So who are you going to drag in to malign China? Probably by your theory, Lockheed Martin shall be the one, right? Hahah.. Don't make me laugh.

This is about getting facts right, no personal opinion and emotion. Based purely on facts. You can claim it based purely on your personal assumption but do not use words like " Certainly" or "Sure" without backing up.