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bebops

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What is China's answer to US strategy of amassing cheap and lethal antiship missiles?

for me, I would build more submarine, fighter jet with antishop missiles, and remote control unmanned warship and subs. and line the coast with mobile rocket launcher with the range of 1IC

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bebops

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The US wants to win a war against China by outproducing them. That is all you need to know about the brilliance of this plan.
tbh, any country with a good military industry can mass produce missiles. if US tries to outproduce China, then China needs to 2x outproduce US.

these plants are automated running 24/7. If one plant is not enough, then they need to construct 2 or 3 or more plants.
 

Totoro

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Sure, but not every country has the same production capabilities. If the US can produce X amount per year, then its runner up is likely to be able to produce only 0.5X, or whatever other number. And China may be able to produce 2X the amount or 5X the amount or any other number. It's really not important what the number is exactly. Point is that the difference between two countries mass producing missiles can still be huge.
 

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The US Navy's naval plan aims to achieve two strategic goals: preparing for a potential war with China by 2027 and improving the naval force's long-term advantage.
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CNO Franchetti’s New Navy Navigation Plan​

From the report​

In January 2024, I released America’s Warfighting Navy to convey my unifying vision for our service: who we are, what we do, and where we are going. This Navigation Plan is my strategic guidance to the Navy, building on that vision and picking up where the 2022 Navigation Plan left off.

As any navigator knows, to get where we want to go, we must first understand where we are. At sea, that starts with taking a fix. There are many ways to establish your position on the open ocean. Mariners of the old world used dead reckoning, the sun, and the stars. Today, technology has allowed us to use space-based capabilities to achieve pinpoint accuracy anywhere on the globe. But no matter how you do it, your first step in navigating is learning your true position.

In much the same way, I have spent my first year as the 33rd Chief of Naval Operations taking fixes across the Navy. The last Navigation Plan outlined 18 critical lines of effort to point us towards warfighting advantage. After visiting every fleet, I am filled with confidence—we have made significant progress since the last plan we filed. I could not be more proud of the hard work done by our team, our active and reserve Navy Sailors and our civilians, to give us that advantage. But as with any long journey, we must also be prepared to adjust course and speed. In some cases, we are behind our projections. In others, the world has forced us to reevaluate our chosen path.

The initiatives outlined in prior guidance must continue with purpose and urgency. Based on my fix, however, I can also see seven areas where we need to accelerate. Those areas, what I call my “Project 33” targets, are where I will invest my time and resources to put my thumb on the scale. These targets focus on my North Star of raising readiness across the force by 2027 to be ready for crisis or conflict. But in a broader sense, my targets are really waypoints on a journey that will continue long after my time at the helm. In that spirit, we must think, act, and operate differently today so the leaders of tomorrow have the players, the concepts, and the capabilities they need to fight and win.

Executing the Navigation Plan
This Navigation Plan drives toward two strategic ends: readiness for the possibility of war with the People’s Republic of China by 2027 and enhancing the Navy’s long-term advantage. We will work towards these ends through two mutually reinforcing ways: implementing Project 33 and expanding the Navy’s contribution to the Joint warfighting ecosystem.

Project 33 is how we will get more ready players on the field by 2027. Project 33 sets my targets for pushing hard to make strategically meaningful gains in the fastest possible time with the resources we influence.

The seven Project 33 targets are:

• Ready the force by eliminating ship, submarine, and aircraft maintenance delays
• Scale robotic and autonomous systems to integrate more platforms at speed
• Create the command centers our fleets need to win on a distributed battlefield
• Recruit and retain the force we need to get more players on the field
• Deliver a quality of service commensurate with the sacrifices of our Sailors
• Train for combat as we plan to fight, in the real world and virtually
• Restore the critical infrastructure that sustains and projects the fight from shore

Project 33 sets new targets but we do not need new levers to reach them. This is core to my guidance. We will deliver results using the tools and resources we have to gain ground without losing speed.
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What is China's answer to US strategy of amassing cheap and lethal antiship missiles?

for me, I would build more submarine, fighter jet with antishop missiles, and remote control unmanned warship and subs. and line the coast with mobile rocket launcher with the range of 1IC

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Cheap and lethal don't dance well together in the US...they will end costing 10x the price anyway. Good strategy is having missile that can strike the carrier of these missiles B-2 and B21 in the future. So US bases in the Pacific are the targets.

With a range of 40nm(74km), how the hell they can manage to launch them even with a B2 without a big chance of getting downed:

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Right now, having 10000 of these missiles and less than 30 carrier for them that have a real chance of launching them before getting destroyed don't look bright.
 

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I think it is kind of interesting to see how the F-15EX is evolving in a way with the redesigning of core components to bring them in line with modern production techniques.
Not directly related to this, but reminds me a few years ago when someone asked if J-11 is a direct copy of the Su-27. I remember making a point like while I don't have any insider information, the Su-27 was a product of 1980 Soviet Technology and production capability, most of the Chinese Flankers were built in the last 10 years, there are going to be major differences. This was the kind of thing I was talking about it. Just totally unlikely that you are keeping things the same.

What is China's answer to US strategy of amassing cheap and lethal antiship missiles?

for me, I would build more submarine, fighter jet with antishop missiles, and remote control unmanned warship and subs. and line the coast with mobile rocket launcher with the range of 1IC

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The funny thing is that the US had theorized this attack itself more than a decade ago when China was building the Type 022. There was a belief China was pursuing a swarm strategy using Type 022. I believe that the conclusion was outside of the immediate area around the Taiwan strait, the strategy was not worthwhile because of the limited range of the actual ships, vulnerability to aircraft and submarines, and limited on board sensors (even with a datalink, it would still require more advanced assets being available).

You basically answered your own question.
The cheaper the missiles are, the less capability they have, either range, or evasion capability, etc. As mentioned, Quicksink would have limited range, so the launch platform would be highly vulnerable. More fighter jets flying patrol would threaten the ability to use this weapon. LRASM is long range and stealthy, but it is not cheap.
 

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The US Navy's naval plan aims to achieve two strategic goals: preparing for a potential war with China by 2027 and improving the naval force's long-term advantage.
FY25 begins in two weeks as does a government shutdown unless Congress can pass a Continuing Resolution of some sort. Continuing Resolutions are just that -- continuing the FY24 funding which means new initiatives such as CNO's Project 33 and DepSecDef's Replicator/CCA funding is delayed, never good for fresh starts as other funded projects grab those people.

CNO did cite the FY22 Navigation Plan but with the Navy's Middle East, etc deployments that money had to be prioritized for operations and maintenance.
We will not stand still as we work to secure long-term investments for the force. The 2022 Navigation Plan underscored the imperative of topline growth: “To simultaneously modernize and grow the capacity of our fleet, the Navy will require 3-5% sustained budget growth above actual inflation.” Without substantial growth in Navy resourcing now, we will eventually face deep strategic constraints on our ability to simultaneously address day-to-day crises while also modernizing the fleet to enhance readiness for war both today and in the future. This 2024 Navigation Plan reflects our current emphasis on readiness and capability considering near-term budgetary and industrial realities, while continuing to advocate for the resources needed to expand all aspects of the Navy’s force structure necessary to preserve the peace, respond in crisis, and win decisively in war.
That budget growth does not appear to be forthcoming and with the OpTempo increasing any additional funds will be primarily O&M,N activities along with some politically-expedient teaser funds insufficient to produce anything useful. When Congress passes the FY25 budget I'll take a look to see what survives but I think CNO will have to be patient.
 
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