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RobertC

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supersnoop said:
The funny thing is that the US had theorized this attack itself more than a decade ago when China was building the Type 022. There was a belief China was pursuing a swarm strategy using Type 022. I believe that the conclusion was outside of the immediate area around the Taiwan strait, the strategy was not worthwhile because of the limited range of the actual ships, vulnerability to aircraft and submarines, and limited on board sensors (even with a datalink, it would still require more advanced assets being available).
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Yep one of my two favorite warships, the Type 022, was China's response to the US Taiwan Strait insult. And it was vulnerable for all the reasons you cited. But times have changed, particularly with the integration of Maritime Militia operations into the overarching PLA organization. I believe my scenario of dozens of Type 022s ducking and weaving inside the MM forces that will shadow any CSG/ATG approaching the First Island Chain is a realistic one.

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RobertC said:
Yep one of my two favorite warships, the Type 022, was China's response to the US Taiwan Strait insult. And it was vulnerable for all the reasons you cited. But times have changed, particularly with the integration of Maritime Militia operations into the overarching PLA organization. I believe my scenario of dozens of Type 022s ducking and weaving inside the MM forces that will shadow any CSG/ATG approaching the First Island Chain is a realistic one.

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I had this discussion with you before, lol. It is interesting the somewhat divergent fortunes of the Type 022 and LCS (which was created somewhat as a response to the possibility of the swarm tactic). We see USN trying to dispose of the LCS, while the Type 022 has found a new purpose in the SCS.

LCS had too much cost overruns leading into a huge capability deficit then huge per unit cost increases. Kind of another warning sign for the so-called "low cost" counter strategy.
 
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bebops said:
What is China's answer to US strategy of amassing cheap and lethal antiship missiles?

for me, I would build more submarine, fighter jet with antishop missiles, and remote control unmanned warship and subs. and line the coast with mobile rocket launcher with the range of 1IC

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They are on the right track. But if the situation were reversed then we’d hear the usual suspects from TWZ comments section saying how only way China can win is produce massive amounts of crappy low quality missiles in a “missile wave attack”.
 
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The US Navy is making some big investments to increase the submarine industrial base.

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An Alabama shipyard won a $450M contract from submarine builder General Dynamics Electric Boat to expand its submarine construction business, according to a Friday regulatory filing.
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“Construction of the new building will start this U.S. autumn and be complete in 2026. When fully operational, the building will support approximately 1,000 jobs and provide capability to fabricate, outfit, and transport submarine components,”
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The US Navy today unveiled an unusual “collaboration” with a private investment fund aimed at boosting America’s capacity to crank out modern submarines, in this case with an “ambitious” development of a shipyard in Alabama.
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Specifically, the Navy said a private fund, the United Submarine Alliance Qualified Opportunity Fund LP, or USA Fund, purchased the 355-acre Alabama Shipyard outside Mobile “where it will prioritize U.S Navy maritime infrastructure investments and sustainment activities with the goal of developing an additional 75 [percent] of the site to support submarine production, workforce training, and industrial capacity.”
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Speaking to reporters ahead of the announcement, Navy officials described a dramatic expansion of the shipyard, to include new facilities where workers for approximately 3,000 new jobs would work or train.
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Atomicfrog

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Maikeru said:
One "awsh1t" cancels out 100 "attaboys":

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1838524069794451951
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Some say the ships will need to refuel at port facilities:

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CNN don't speculate on what happened... it's more convenient that it hit ''ground'' and not been hit by something. It look like they have manning problems to operate enough oilers too:

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''Military Sealift Command, the Navy's civilian-crewed auxiliary division, has a serious long-term manning shortage and has reportedly had challenges crewing up some of its oilers, reducing the available supply of replacement ships.''
 
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Persistent OverHead Infrared system to replace SBIRS is progressing well. Space Force is on track to launch the first GEO satellite in late 2025. The constellation uses multi-orbit strategy to track sophisticated missile threats such as hypersonic glide vehicles and advanced ballistic missiles.
 
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SlothmanAllen

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Persistent OverHead Infrared system to replace SBIRS is progressing well. Space Force is on track to launch the first GEO satellite in late 2025. The constellation uses multi-orbit strategy to track sophisticated missile threats such as hypersonic glide vehicles and advanced ballistic missiles.
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I thought these types of satellites would be normally handled by the National Reconnaissance Office? Did the creation of the Space Force change this?
 
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