US conflict in the Americas

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cqxt11

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how are people finding ways to center china in this conjuncture? all it does is confirm that china has no ideological or other opposition to U.S ends and a country like venezuela or iran getting thrown under the bus does not even register as a loss.
Theory going around that Maduro reached some sort of deal with US
not him, but presumably others in the party, maybe the vice president
 

Overbom

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I'm merely talking about the advantages that come with military dominance, that if the US holds a region hostage at gunpoint, and appoints leaders that will actively block trade with China or outright block Chinese ships from delivering ports of even militarily wiping out said ports, what courses of action would China then take to counter such behavior by the US?
We saw that already with Mexico

US heavily pressured to put very high tariffs to China (it was for the rest of the world, but it's targeted against China)

Sitting around, playing around, thinking that everything is fine is not a good strategy
 

sunnymaxi

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I'm merely talking about the advantages that come with military dominance, that if the US holds a region hostage at gunpoint, and appoints leaders that will actively block trade with China or outright block Chinese ships from delivering ports of even militarily wiping out said ports, what courses of action would China then take to counter such behavior by the US?
China's sphere of influence is Asian continent. The economy of Asia comprises about 4.7 Billion people (60% of the world population)

you forgot, The South China Sea is a critical trade route, with approximately one-third of global shipping passing through its waters. Any disruption to the freedom of navigation in the region would have serious consequences for global trade. China can do some serious damage here.

all cutting edge fabs like TSMC/SS/SK Hynix currently located within the precise range of Chinese hypersonic missiles. Trillions of dollars at stack coz of Ai boom. just one missile is enough to disrupt the operation.

These are the some options..
 

bsdnf

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We saw that already with Mexico

US heavily pressured to put very high tariffs to China (it was for the rest of the world, but it's targeted against China)

Sitting around, playing around, thinking that everything is fine is not a good strategy
However, trade between Mexico and China will not instantly disappear, and a large amount of Chinese investment will continue to flow into Mexico. Even the United States cannot decouple, and neither can they.

Many people are unaware that China is both a major exporter and a major importer.
 

iewgnem

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What Putin thought Special Military Operation was going to be.
Russia needed Ukraine to surrender and stand down, they could have killed Zelensky during first strike but it wouldn't have lead to that outcome. The same is true for Venezuela, their "opposition" is openly allied with the US and it'll be awkward to say the least trying to convince the people and the military to acknowledge their rule after this, so either Trump has to pull a full scaled SMO and directly occupy the country, or he'll end up with a Venezuela that's more hostile and more likely to cooperate with China than they started with.
 

Nevermore

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The United States possesses another significant advantage: its domestic consumer market and industrial investments. China initially secured its position as the world's factory largely by relying on the U.S. domestic market and American capital investments. For other nations seeking favorable relations with the U.S., accepting humiliating terms might be tolerable if it meant securing substantial manufacturing investments and producing goods for American consumers. In contrast, while China offers loans, infrastructure development, and other forms of assistance, its import demand and manufacturing investments remain less generous than those of the United States.
 

sunnymaxi

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We saw that already with Mexico

US heavily pressured to put very high tariffs to China (it was for the rest of the world, but it's targeted against China)

Sitting around, playing around, thinking that everything is fine is not a good strategy
Please tell us the complete story.

Mexico Imposes Up to 50% Tariffs on India as well

Mexico's Senate has approved new import tariffs of up to 50% on a wide range of goods from countries that do not have a free-trade agreement with Mexico, including India, China, South Korea, Thailand, and Indonesia.
 

ougoah

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US has essentially grabbed trillions of dollars worth of energy, choking Russia's dependence on energy exports and making China's energy dependence on Middle East, Russia and Australia that much less resilient.

It has also basically seized Chinese investments into Venezuela.

If China is unwilling to contest US hegemony via its own made up rules, not even kicking up a storm with the international community to point out western hypocrisy, then it may as well just negotiate with the US on a G2 system. The world watched the US steal a fifth of the world's energy reserves and whistled along as if everything's acceptable.

US placed heavy prices on Russia for attempting to seize considerably less. Russia has placed zero cost on the US for rolling over one of its puppets. China placed zero cost on the US for taking away billions in investments and an alternative energy supplier.
 

Overbom

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However, trade between Mexico and China will not instantly disappear, and a large amount of Chinese investment will continue to flow into Mexico. Even the United States cannot decouple, and neither can they.
New added tariffs from Mexico are 5-50%.. you know what a 50% tariffs means?

Eventually, Chinese products and suppliers will be displaced. Now do that pressure against whole "backyard" South America countries and can you see the problem now?


Please tell us the complete story.

Mexico Imposes Up to 50% Tariffs on India as well

Mexico's Senate has approved new import tariffs of up to 50% on a wide range of goods from countries that do not have a free-trade agreement with Mexico, including India, China, South Korea, Thailand, and Indonesia.
It's for the entire world, but it's easy work around. With negotiations of US-India, India will quickly be excluded from such tariffs eventually

And since Mexico and Canada are barred (US veto) from trade deals with China, China will never be able to get reduced tariffs

That's why I said it's for entire world but basically targeted against China
 
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