US conflict in the Americas

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Or at least enough military presence just to protect their trading routes while avoiding direct confrontation with the US. It is simply not possible to protect one's trading routes if the closest military presence they have is thousands of kilometers away. Right now, China is the largest manufacturing powerhouse, but the US has the largest military presence worldwide. Logically speaking, the US can actually leverage this advantage and hold everyone hostage while taking its sweet ass time to re-industrialize and take over China's position. Hell! They can even just resort to holding the Americas hostage and ruin China's economy without the re-industrialization part. It would be just like sanctioning and blockading a weak state. What can China do to counter any of that? I mean we keep hearing the US is about to fall every now and then, but is that really just going to happen? Remains to be seen.
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Logically speaking, the US can actually leverage this advantage and hold everyone hostage while taking its sweet ass time to re-industrialize and take over China's position

How, just how. Industry planning? Policy guidance? Is there anything like that?
 
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To give Trump his due the gamble paid off big time. Rare spectacular win after so many TACOs. Monroe Doctrine 2.0 is off to a good start.
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It's a good PR win but i think the gamble will only pay off once we see Venezuela breach Chinese contracts and transferring Chinese owned assets to the Venezuelan state or US companies. Thats the objective of the Monroe Doctrine is to prevent foreign powers to have assets in the western hemisphere.
 
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Or at least enough military presence just to protect their trading routes while avoiding direct confrontation with the US. It is simply not possible to protect one's trading routes if the closest military presence they have is thousands of kilometers away. Right now, China is the largest manufacturing powerhouse, but the US has the largest military presence worldwide. Logically speaking, the US can actually leverage this advantage and hold everyone hostage while taking its sweet ass time to re-industrialize and take over China's position. Hell! They can even just resort to holding the Americas hostage and ruin China's economy without the re-industrialization part. It would be just like sanctioning and blockading a weak state. What can China do to counter any of that? I mean we keep hearing the US is about to fall every now and then, but is that really just going to happen? Remains to be seen.
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There's many escalation paths if US messes with Chinese trade with South America.
A DPRK artillery barrage will wipe out half the fabs in SK and end the AI capex bubble. A blockade of TSMC will do the same.
 
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Seeing that unprecedentedly, maybe first time in history that US just walked in, kidnapped the leader of a UN-recognised state, and walked out with zero consequences. China should just throw a missile on Lai's residence and obliterate the entire political and military leadership in one minute.

In this world, diplomacy and optics dont matter. The only thing that is real, is an express missile package utterly demolishing the entire residence complex of Lai and his friends
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i fully support this initiate but the problem is, Taiwan situation is completely different in comparison with any other conflict.

turning South China sea and Taiwan strait into a conflict will be deadly for China as well. Approximately 30% of global maritime trade passes through from this route. image if this trade disrupt.

but Government should take this as a warning and start militarization of entire region include bases like Cambodia , more artificial islands and try for Military base in Myanmar region.

we have other nuclear options as well.. like TSMC and SS all cutting edge fabs are just under our missiles range. just one missile can disrupt entire supply.
 
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meedicx said:
There's many escalation paths if US messes with Chinese trade with South America.
A DPRK artillery barrage will wipe out half the fabs in SK and end the AI capex bubble. A blockade of TSMC will do the same.
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DPRK isn't China's proxy. Ally, sure, but not a remote controlled proxy.
And whole point of Venezuela was decisive action rather than fucking around.

In rough terms, imagine if Russian heli assault target wasn't Hostomel but rather on Zelenskiy's head.
 
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DPRK isn't China's proxy. Ally, sure, but not a remote controlled proxy.
And whole point of Venezuela was decisive action rather than fucking around.

In rough terms, imagine if Russian heli assault target wasn't Hostomel but rather on Zelenskiy's head.
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If they actually pulled off a decap strike like that Ukraine probably would've surrendered. It seems Russia was counting on it too from seeing how unprepared they were for the resistance.

This is good for China actually, if US is allowed to enforce their will within their sphere of influence as they wish, this opens up Taiwan for a negotiated surrender also. China just needs more chips to make it not worth the alternative for the US.
 
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Only good thing coming out of Trump's action, success of it, and lack of consequences from it is that in China, hardliners will take a clear cut advantage against foreign affairs and diplomatic corps

What love, what respect, what optics, what looking good. All liberal garbage

In hardliners' view, and in the entire world's view, there is nothing more beautiful than a shiny missile just seconds before impact.

Taiwan and friends should do well to not prematurely celebrate, because I think in the long run, the utter defeat of Chinese diplomats and doves against hardliners, will be the death warrant for Taiwan
 
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siegecrossbow said:
To give Trump his due the gamble paid off big time. Rare spectacular win after so many TACOs. Monroe Doctrine 2.0 is off to a good start.
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An action like this as per usual only starts out good in the beginning but rarely ever does this ever have a good ending. China can and will take advantage of this action regardless of what happens. I believe that China will ultimately use this as an example of how to deal with Taiwan and the rest of those near China that wants to do them harm.
 
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jiajia99 said:
An action like this as per usual only starts out good in the beginning but rarely ever does this ever have a good ending. China can and will take advantage of this action regardless of what happens. I believe that China will ultimately use this as an example of how to deal with Taiwan and the rest of those near China that wants to do them harm.
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It doesn’t matter for Trump though. Only thing that matters for MAGA is optics and you can’t say that it is not spectacular. Does it actually solve any of the domestic/international challenges? Not really. But that’s not how Trump gets votes anyway.
 
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