US conflict in the Americas

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jiajia99

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It doesn’t matter for Trump though. Only thing that matters for MAGA is optics and you can’t say that it is not spectacular. Does it actually solve any of the domestic/international challenges? Not really. But that’s not how Trump gets votes anyway.
Yeah, three more years of Trump and I don’t think the USA is ever going to recover, I mean this action of Trump cannot and will not fix the U.S. economy and should the US economy end up collapsing because of this, well this action in Venezuela ends up being pointless in the grand scheme of things. Still one must admit that the action is quite something but still is it really impressive to strike the weak cause I thought the USA is supposed to be a real super power, not some rogue nation that pick and chooses victims that cannot fight back. still it will convince that MAGA crowd that they are winning, only to realize that it does nothing to put food on the table.
 

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If they actually pulled off a decap strike like that Ukraine probably would've surrendered. It seems Russia was counting on it too from seeing how unprepared they were for the resistance.

This is good for China actually, if US is allowed to enforce their will within their sphere of influence as they wish, this opens up Taiwan for a negotiated surrender also. China just needs more chips to make it not worth the alternative for the US.
Tbh, there's a rather dark conclusion out of this.
US have genuine sphere of influence, which is uncontested. Which means US are quite prepared for multipolar world, where they are not a 霸 anymore,sure, but they just as powerful and aren't constrained at all. Anymore.
Yes, it's a bit like Qin retreating behind Hangu - but there's no Xiang Yu to follow them.

Europe has a small sphere of influence. Yes, contested, yes, Europe has no will/ hard power - but their cultural pull makes up.

Even Russia has a sphere of influence. Yes, contested, but no one contests Russian right to fight Ukraine - only "fucks around", as discussion before said. I.e. Russia is a beneficiary of a multi polar world.

China, despite rhetorics, isn't truly interested in multipolar world. There's no true Chinese sphere of influence - it's entire surroundings are either culturally different states afraid of China with thousands of years of history together. DPRK is definitely there. Only Russia and maybe Pakistan are allies not afraid of China - but neither is sphere of influence.

The only exception is Taiwan, which is afraid and contested as hell...
 

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On March 3, the Venezuelan Permanent Mission to the United Nations sent a letter to Abucal Dashir Osman, the rotating president of the UN Security Council for this month, strongly condemning the United States' "brutal, unreasonable, and unilateral" armed aggression against Venezuela and making four demands, including convening an emergency Security Council meeting to discuss the US's aggression; strongly condemning the US armed aggression against the Venezuelan people and government; demanding that the US military immediately cease its armed attacks against Venezuela; and taking necessary measures to hold the US government accountable for its aggression.

However, the letter did not include the return of Maduro, hmmmmmmmm
 

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Tbh, there's a rather dark conclusion out of this.
US have genuine sphere of influence, which is uncontested. Which means US are quite prepared for multipolar world, where they are not a 霸 anymore,sure, but they just as powerful and aren't constrained at all. Anymore.
Yes, it's a bit like Qin retreating behind Hangu - but there's no Xiang Yu to follow them.

Europe has a small sphere of influence. Yes, contested, yes, Europe has no will/ hard power - but their cultural pull makes up.

Even Russia has a sphere of influence. Yes, contested, but no one contests Russian right to fight Ukraine - only "fucks around", as discussion before said. I.e. Russia is a beneficiary of a multi polar world.

China, despite rhetorics, isn't truly interested in multipolar world. There's no true Chinese sphere of influence - it's entire surroundings are either culturally different states afraid of China with thousands of years of history together. DPRK is definitely there. Only Russia and maybe Pakistan are allies not afraid of China - but neither is sphere of influence.

The only exception is Taiwan, which is afraid and contested as hell...
CPC doesn't see the multipolar world in the lenses of "sphere of influence" though, at least not for China. If they did you'll see them do things like make deals with Trump trading withdraw from the Americans for US withdraw from Asia.

Monroe Doctrine is sort of like the Imperial Tribute System. With the Tribute System your admittance ticket is subscribing to a sinocentric worldview (the tributes is an expression of that belief). Trump's Monroe Doctrine 2.0 is similar - everyone in the Americas in US sphere of influence has to accept US primacy or your president looks like he's getting ready to get on a chinook.

British Empire's Imperial Preference system is similar too.

Community of Common Destiny for Mankind is like Tribute System 2.0, with the main improvement being a sinocentric worldview is no longer a requirement. That's how even people way in Trump's camp like Milei can do enough mental gymnastics to sell loads of beef and soy bean and whatnot to China.

You can't beat 2.0 version of a system with the 1.0 version.
 
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sndef888

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On March 3, the Venezuelan Permanent Mission to the United Nations sent a letter to Abucal Dashir Osman, the rotating president of the UN Security Council for this month, strongly condemning the United States' "brutal, unreasonable, and unilateral" armed aggression against Venezuela and making four demands, including convening an emergency Security Council meeting to discuss the US's aggression; strongly condemning the US armed aggression against the Venezuelan people and government; demanding that the US military immediately cease its armed attacks against Venezuela; and taking necessary measures to hold the US government accountable for its aggression.

However, the letter did not include the return of Maduro, hmmmmmmmm
Theory going around that Maduro reached some sort of deal with US
 

iBBz

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Logically speaking, the US can actually leverage this advantage and hold everyone hostage while taking its sweet ass time to re-industrialize and take over China's position

How, just how. Industry planning? Policy guidance? Is there anything like that?
I'm merely talking about the advantages that come with military dominance, that if the US holds a region hostage at gunpoint, and appoints leaders that will actively block trade with China or outright block Chinese ships from delivering ports of even militarily wiping out said ports, what courses of action would China then take to counter such behavior by the US? Sanctions aren't guaranteed to yield results and can actually backfire and bring about policy changes and reforms. Being Isolated and relying on energy to come from mainly Russia alone is also very risky business.
 

Temstar

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I'm merely talking about the advantages that come with military dominance, that if the US holds a region hostage at gunpoint, and appoints leaders that will actively block trade with China or outright block Chinese ships from delivering ports of even militarily wiping out said ports, what courses of action would China then take to counter such behavior by the US? Sanctions aren't guaranteed to yield results and can actually backfire and bring about policy changes and reforms. Being Isolated and relying on energy to come from mainly Russia alone is also very risky business.
It won't work. They couldn't even get Milei's Argentina to do that much less anyone else.
 
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