US conflict in the Americas
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The issue is lack of hard power. That's what under-investment in defence leads to
If you can't credibly threaten the US in Venezuela, then what can China do? Ok, maybe it can shout a bit but if it does it too much it will only expose its own inability to intervene
What if it just another Milei came to power, or what if there was no change of regime at all?
What can China do? Send a task force to overthrow its successor? Sign up for mutual defense alliances with every country it does business, and then get bogged down in every regional conflicts like the United States?
I don't understand, should politics just like children playing house?
If they want to protect their country, they should follow Pakistan's example and attend the Zhuhai Airshow, seriously procure weapons and build up their military. Instead, they should act like children who only talk the talk but never buy, only to blame China for not giving them weapons for free when they're facing imminent danger.
Even if we take a step back and assume they receive the same assistance and protection as Pakistan and North Korea, the, still need to be able to survive until the PLA arrives, right?
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It could start by learning that the US hunts down, destroys or destabilises everywhere China make investments into hoping to reshape to its favour. Why bother investing in US backyard without ensuring survival of those investment and better coordinating and planning for contingencies. Why not create opportunities in these. This is where China is hopelessly outwitted by west. They are exceptionally machiavellian and deceitful. Start by learning about/understanding yourself and your enemy. Isn't that standard warfare?
We have another thread of China's wins. They are great. But we don't consider the cost of those wins because there are.
For instance when it comes to the car industry. China makes huge losses too by offering too much for the money. With every win, we should consider the price paid for the win and whether the net effect is worth it. Can we achieve the ultimate goals with those sacrifices? China is the one that is working honestly and working its ass off but being paid a pittance. The US is the one scamming everyone and getting away with fortunes. It's able to devote its excess time and effort in other areas.
While the nation is being rejuvenated and the military progress is astounding, the quality of life and overall wealth of people hasn't seen a commensurate improvement. Americans are just printing non stop and benefiting from initial access to all that printed wealth before the inflation kicks in and even after it does, the rest of the world shoulder a share of that pain anyway.
The US isn't stupid and its leaders are arguably more cunning and capable of understanding this grand calculation. They are worried but they aren't necessarily doomed. Certainly not if China can't figure this one out. It needs to act out sometimes and like the US placing stumbling blocks in front of China at every opportunity, China must take advantage of opportunities too.
Trump is all too conveniently blamed whenever the US acts against the "rules based order". He is the US. He is the west. This is how it's always been. Different face, new excuses and distractions. Epstein files, drugs, MAGA ... everything's a distraction from the actual game. It's only ever been about hegemonic power and the exploitation that comes with it.
China shows itself to be quite passive and unwilling to do anything outside of managing its own affairs and making progress. Western leaders come from a history of colonial/imperial thinking. If not for the capability and talent of Chinese people, this competition would have been over long ago. Where Chinese people actually excel in engineering and innovation (historically), Western people have also excelled in this too but they also have far superior EQ and ability to manipulate and exercise control over others.
What can China do? If I had definitive answers, I would be able to advise on this but I don't lol. It clearly also doesn't know.
The China does nothing, win meme is built on the back of Chinese sweat and labour. Meanwhile, the West can simply steal it all whenever they please. What can China do?
Can they? They can't. To imagine imperialism as too powerful is itself a sign of weakness.
My view is that the Chinese leadership adheres to a ruthless principle of "Help Those Who Help Themselves (and Pay)" and maximizing interests. If a country neither strives for self-improvement nor is willing to sell its soul, then helping it will not yield much benefit. Even if they are overthrown by the US, it won't cause much of a stir, nor will it bring much benefit to the US.
Chinese leaders are quite amazing at maintaining and improving its own house. Working day and night without rest. Got a good system running. It's working well. True to the overly simplified meme, Chinese leaders indeed are engineers to use the analogy. Shape the world with their tools and hands.
Western leaders are only talented at the social stuff. They are the private school girls with their cliques and frenemies. They are natural human manipulators. To use the analogy, they are lawyers. Shape the world with words and arguments/fights/wars.
Since you understand them and what they are about, it makes them a little more predictable. We all saw this pattern emerging. The US in its material decline compared to the mid 20th century to turn of century period, they are going to go back to their pirate roots and ways. Like the period of Trump's first trade war when he came to power, we should expect a lot more lashing out from the US. China keeps getting caught less than prepared.
Western leaders are only talented at the social stuff. They are the private school girls with their cliques and frenemies. They are natural human manipulators. To use the analogy, they are lawyers. Shape the world with words and arguments/fights/wars.
Since you understand them and what they are about, it makes them a little more predictable. We all saw this pattern emerging. The US in its material decline compared to the mid 20th century to turn of century period, they are going to go back to their pirate roots and ways. Like the period of Trump's first trade war when he came to power, we should expect a lot more lashing out from the US. China keeps getting caught less than prepared.
Why did his guards resist?
That depend on next steps, because if he's hoping Venezuela will now be happy to hand over their oil to the US without a larger military campaign, they'll probably be disappointed.
The Chinese leadership play a conservative game, in the sense that they defend only those whose commitment to self defense can be proven and assured. That is not the vast majority of countries in the world, and especially not the democratic half, who have been thoroughly infiltrated by the US & its allies.
Venezuela’s lack of self defense is the very reason we haven’t seen China actually commit to anything significant. Because it knew this could happen and it’d be monumentally stupid to stick out your neck for a country only to have that country capitulate at the first sign of trouble. Venezuela is not North Korea - it hasn’t proven it could be trusted when it comes to resistance and so at best there were talks & but no actual commitment from China.
The US has also proven it has a strong pulse on things like this. Trump acted before any deeper resistance could be established in Venezuela with a political/military purge & Chinese weapons/bases. They must have known there was a chance that Venezuela could become a problem under Maduro so they removed him; simple as that.
Venezuela’s lack of self defense is the very reason we haven’t seen China actually commit to anything significant. Because it knew this could happen and it’d be monumentally stupid to stick out your neck for a country only to have that country capitulate at the first sign of trouble. Venezuela is not North Korea - it hasn’t proven it could be trusted when it comes to resistance and so at best there were talks & but no actual commitment from China.
The US has also proven it has a strong pulse on things like this. Trump acted before any deeper resistance could be established in Venezuela with a political/military purge & Chinese weapons/bases. They must have known there was a chance that Venezuela could become a problem under Maduro so they removed him; simple as that.
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