US conflict in the Americas

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tokenanalyst

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It could start by learning that the US hunts down, destroys or destabilises everywhere China make investments into hoping to reshape to its favour. Why bother investing in US backyard without ensuring survival of those investment and better coordinating and planning for contingencies. Why not create opportunities in these. This is where China is hopelessly outwitted by west. They are exceptionally machiavellian and deceitful. Start by learning about/understanding yourself and your enemy. Isn't that standard warfare?

We have another thread of China's wins. They are great. But we don't consider the cost of those wins because there are.

For instance when it comes to the car industry. China makes huge losses too by offering too much for the money. With every win, we should consider the price paid for the win and whether the net effect is worth it. Can we achieve the ultimate goals with those sacrifices? China is the one that is working honestly and working its ass off but being paid a pittance. The US is the one scamming everyone and getting away with fortunes. It's able to devote its excess time and effort in other areas.

While the nation is being rejuvenated and the military progress is astounding, the quality of life and overall wealth of people hasn't seen a commensurate improvement. Americans are just printing non stop and benefiting from initial access to all that printed wealth before the inflation kicks in and even after it does, the rest of the world shoulder a share of that pain anyway.

The US isn't stupid and its leaders are arguably more cunning and capable of understanding this grand calculation. They are worried but they aren't necessarily doomed. Certainly not if China can't figure this one out. It needs to act out sometimes and like the US placing stumbling blocks in front of China at every opportunity, China must take advantage of opportunities too.

Trump is all too conveniently blamed whenever the US acts against the "rules based order". He is the US. He is the west. This is how it's always been. Different face, new excuses and distractions. Epstein files, drugs, MAGA ... everything's a distraction from the actual game. It's only ever been about hegemonic power and the exploitation that comes with it.

China shows itself to be quite passive and unwilling to do anything outside of managing its own affairs and making progress. Western leaders come from a history of colonial/imperial thinking. If not for the capability and talent of Chinese people, this competition would have been over long ago. Where Chinese people actually excel in engineering and innovation (historically), Western people have also excelled in this too but they also have far superior EQ and ability to manipulate and exercise control over others.

What can China do? If I had definitive answers, I would be able to advise on this but I don't lol. It clearly also doesn't know.

The China does nothing, win meme is built on the back of Chinese sweat and labour. Meanwhile, the West can simply steal it all whenever they please. What can China do?
Ironically the biggest beneficiary of most US invasions has been China, in Iraq and Afghanistan.
 

ougoah

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Can they? They can't. To imagine imperialism as too powerful is itself a sign of weakness.

My view is that the Chinese leadership adheres to a ruthless principle of "Help Those Who Help Themselves (and Pay)" and maximizing interests. If a country neither strives for self-improvement nor is willing to sell its soul, then helping it will not yield much benefit. Even if they are overthrown by the US, it won't cause much of a stir, nor will it bring much benefit to the US.

It isn't imagining that imperialism is too powerful. It is recognising its true nature and abilities. Only then can we avoid getting caught with pants down.

There is a tendency to ignore all the work the US is doing to undermine China and its interests. There is too much magnanimous attitude and it's exactly this superiority complex that so many Chinese people and leaders have that was its initial undoing.
 

ougoah

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Ironically the biggest beneficiary of most US invasions has been China, in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Yes we can chalk those up as wins for China I suppose. US losses at the behest of Israel.

Whenever US takes aim at China e.g. with previous tariffs and goal of completely isolating China from global trade. That is some serious existential stuff the US tried. It didn't work but would you ignore someone pulling a shotgun at you, clicking the trigger and only being spared because the weapon malfunctioned? Would you not immediately follow up that action by clubbing that person to death?

China did hit back with RE restrictions but then backtracked and negotiated an off ramp, fearing all out reprisal and escalation. Maybe China did the maths and it wasn't the right time to go all in but it needs to learn the US is out to kill. I doubt the US is keen on any more distractions. Everything it has been doing since pulling out of Afghanistan has been to undermine and kill China. I think they underestimated China for far too long and now the only thing that they are focused on is China. Do people genuinely not realise this?
 

Topazchen

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The United States possesses another significant advantage: its domestic consumer market and industrial investments. China initially secured its position as the world's factory largely by relying on the U.S. domestic market and American capital investments. For other nations seeking favorable relations with the U.S., accepting humiliating terms might be tolerable if it meant securing substantial manufacturing investments and producing goods for American consumers. In contrast, while China offers loans, infrastructure development, and other forms of assistance, its import demand and manufacturing investments remain less generous than those of the United States.
True .Until countries can become rich exporting -apart from minerals - to China all manner of goods and services America will continue to have and wield coercive power over much of the world.
 

NorthKimBestKim

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Yes we can chalk those up as wins for China I suppose. US losses at the behest of Israel.

Whenever US takes aim at China e.g. with previous tariffs and goal of completely isolating China from global trade. That is some serious existential stuff the US tried. It didn't work but would you ignore someone pulling a shotgun at you, clicking the trigger and only being spared because the weapon malfunctioned? Would you not immediately follow up that action by clubbing that person to death?

China did hit back with RE restrictions but then backtracked and negotiated an off ramp, fearing all out reprisal and escalation. Maybe China did the maths and it wasn't the right time to go all in but it needs to learn the US is out to kill. I doubt the US is keen on any more distractions. Everything it has been doing since pulling out of Afghanistan has been to undermine and kill China. I think they underestimated China for far too long and now the only thing that they are focused on is China. Do people genuinely not realise this?
I agree with all your posts, no need for me to quote all the posts.

The extreme, U.S. right-wing regime is after destroying PRC, and that is a fact. There is no denying it. The PRC should have learned already since the massive and brutal attack on "Huawei". Doesn't matter that Huawei is still around - the point is, what the U.S. did to Huawei was replicated many times over not just in the U.S., but against pro-U.S. lackey-regimes as well.

The U.S. is doing all of this because they will always calculate what kind of strength the PRC has militarily, techonologically, economically, etc.
The PRC need to stop playing "defensive", and start building up military with a 5% spending on defence.

The U.S. has destroyed Libya, and over the past 13 months (December 2024 - January 2026) , Syria has fallen, Iran has been bombed and now struggling again with U.S. cucks rioting, in addition to Venezuela being taken out and humiliated. This all happened since December 2024.

Moreover, we are seeing aggressive Japan opening their mouth and getting into very aggressive rethoric against the PRC because of DPP-alligned traitors in Taipei.

The PRC need to start build-up and break down the economy of the enemies before this escalated further. The best way to show the power is to have real, hard power ready to be used, because soft power is only applicable if you have hard power that can supplement the soft power. Soft power alone by itself, on the other hand, is useless without hard power being behind it.
 

tokenanalyst

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My hypothesis on how Maduro let himself capture so easily is that either some general in Venezuela is collecting 50 million and declaring himself president in a few days or Maduro is so inept that he really believe that US was bluffing when they stationed half of their military assets in the Caribbean. I am more inclined to believe that Maduro is a retard. When the US or any great military power threaten your country you have to take them death serious. Singing "Peace. No War" will no help. You either reach an diplomatic agreement or prepare for war.

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Now, with that out the way, the problem for the US, is that capturing Maduro solves nothing, my guess is that they are expecting a revolt inside of Venezuela, if that don't happen, they will replace Maduro with a general or someone else in the government. At the point a ground invasion is their only hope and that I think will be catastrophic.
 

ougoah

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My hypothesis on how Maduro let himself capture so easily is that either some general in Venezuela is collecting 50 million and declaring himself president in a few days or Maduro is so inept that he really believe that US was bluffing when they stationed half of their military assets in the Caribbean. I am more inclined to believe that Maduro is a retard. When the US or any great military power threaten your country you have to take them death serious. Singing "Peace. No War" will no help. You either reach an diplomatic agreement or prepare for war.

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Now, with that out the way, the problem for the US, is that capturing Maduro solves nothing, my guess is that they are expecting a revolt inside of Venezuela, if that don't happen, they will replace Maduro with a general or someone else in the government. At the point a ground invasion is their only hope and that I think will be catastrophic.

It's all by design, they weakened Venezuela for years with sanctions and destroyed their ability to really put up any fight.

Infiltrated basically every level of politics and military so understand it through and through. They had their eyes set on capturing Venezuela's resources well before Trump. Trump is only continuing long planned US strategic moves. He isn't some outsider or Russian stooge.

Once the country was broken with sanctions and economically kaput, people are easier to buy and exploit. All the way through, there's nothing Venezuela or Russia could/can do. Such is the balance of power and Western leaders understand their strength is in their ability to coordinate.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Chinese leaders are quite amazing at maintaining and improving its own house. Working day and night without rest. Got a good system running. It's working well. True to the overly simplified meme, Chinese leaders indeed are engineers to use the analogy. Shape the world with their tools and hands.

Western leaders are only talented at the social stuff. They are the private school girls with their cliques and frenemies. They are natural human manipulators. To use the analogy, they are lawyers. Shape the world with words and arguments/fights/wars.

Since you understand them and what they are about, it makes them a little more predictable. We all saw this pattern emerging. The US in its material decline compared to the mid 20th century to turn of century period, they are going to go back to their pirate roots and ways. Like the period of Trump's first trade war when he came to power, we should expect a lot more lashing out from the US. China keeps getting caught less than prepared.
China ran an empire for 3000+ years bro. There's one commonality among Chinese enemies. Just ask where the Xiongnu, Xianbei, Abbasid Caliphate, Mongolia and Manchuria are now.
 

tokenanalyst

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Yes we can chalk those up as wins for China I suppose. US losses at the behest of Israel.

Whenever US takes aim at China e.g. with previous tariffs and goal of completely isolating China from global trade. That is some serious existential stuff the US tried. It didn't work but would you ignore someone pulling a shotgun at you, clicking the trigger and only being spared because the weapon malfunctioned? Would you not immediately follow up that action by clubbing that person to death?

China did hit back with RE restrictions but then backtracked and negotiated an off ramp, fearing all out reprisal and escalation. Maybe China did the maths and it wasn't the right time to go all in but it needs to learn the US is out to kill. I doubt the US is keen on any more distractions. Everything it has been doing since pulling out of Afghanistan has been to undermine and kill China. I think they underestimated China for far too long and now the only thing that they are focused on is China. Do people genuinely not realise this?
I agree, I think China needs to take that very seriously and work for countermeasures to deal with that.

But I have the personal feeling that the Trump, mostly Rubio, "doctrine" is to abandon the world, Europe, the Middle East and Asia, to take over the Americas. If you think about it, the region has the energy resources, the minerals and the cheap labor to the point that US maybe won't need anything from Asia or the Middle East. With that and moving IC manufacturing from Taiwan to the US and IC packaging to the US, Mexico or the Caribbean the US could cut their military alliances all over the world.

I think is pipe dream because a lot of countries in Latin America are not that close to the US and the big powers in the region have their own agendas. But gives that sensation.
 

Soldier30

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A video of a combat mission involving an American helicopter, presumably a Bell AH-1Z Viper, has been released in the Venezuelan capital, Caracas. Judging by the video, Venezuelan air defenses and air force are offering no resistance, suggesting, according to media reports, an elite conspiracy within the country. A destroyed Venezuelan Buk-M2E air defense system, manufactured in Russia and never used by the military, was recorded at the Generalissimo Francisco de Miranda Air Base. According to the latest reports, Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro and his wife were captured on Saturday morning by Delta Force, an elite US Army special forces unit.

 
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