Ukrainian War Developments

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meckhardt98

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The Su-34 alleged shot down is for the moment, just a claim. A little fragment is far away from the genuine article. Could have been indeed shot down, or damaged, or the part made up from plastic....
Still if true may be a reason coupled with other aircraft losses to choose stand off strikes instead of direct bombing by combat aircraft; especially with progress stalling.

There may be many reasons why the Russians chose to use the Tu22M, we’ll most likely never know why.

Think of it as when the US lost its F117 over Serbia it became more reluctant to carry out sorties until the USAF had figured out what had happened.
 

meckhardt98

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They probably have a lot of Kh-22s kicking around nearing the end of their service lives. May as well use them if they need that kind of hit.
That can be said about most of the forces they’ve been sending into Ukraine, at least half of their forces are using Cold War relics; modernized or not they still follow the design philosophy of a different era and certain design flaws and oversights have become apparently detrimental I.E. lack of reinforcement of cabin windows on transports and certain vehicles. The same can be said for the Ukrainians as-well.

“If it ain’t broke’ don’t fix it” as the saying goes.
 

Gloire_bb

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I'm afraid Russia will eventually come to regret its Ukraine neo-Nazi state narrative. The West has been engaging in historical revisionism to downplay USSR's role in WWII. Cynical use of anti-Nazi narrative to justify the present war in Ukraine can only damage Russian credibility. And equivalating Japanese support for Ukraine with Japanese alliance with Nazi Germany will only play into the hands of apologists of Japanese militarism.
Cynically speaking, it's about semi-religions.
Everyone West doesn't like is automatically "autocratic". Everyone in the west is democratic&liberal(even those Balcan countries with their 20+ year "presidents"), everyone Western world likes is at least moving in the right direction.
At this point, liberalism is kinda...a religion. Most of its proponents can't even properly formulate it in a discussion, they just push for it.

Anti-nazi stance is the same - sorta modern religion in Russia. Everyone against Russia is probably either a nazi, or is supportive of them. There is indeed some basis for it - b/c all countries around Russia(former parts of RI/SU) have large Russian minorities, almost all of them have lots of nationalists who despise this past, and some of those have very little statehood history - i.e. the only way they can begin their national myth is by being anti-russian. But that's the trap - on the one hand, since they're against Russia, they immediately become democratic and liberal. On the other hand, aggressive nationalism has another name, and everyone in the western world was taught that nazism is something really bad.
So both religions work.

Anti-nazism religion works worse, though because events from 80 years ago don't really ring the bell for most modern people. They never saw nor experienced themselves why it is bad. Furthermore, unlike the former SU, where literally every family has family memory from grandparents about that nazis are about - for most of Europe it isn't true...or they have brighter and more recent experiences (Balkan countries, and now - Ukraine).

Just for example - it's the same with Japan - most of the world either don't know anything, or only heard that Japan actually did something bad in the past. It isn't like, say, China, where this "bad" isn't just taught, is a family history for many.
Many heard of it from their grandparents. Grandparents who saw it (or worse) with their own eyes.

Democratic-liberal one, on the other hand, is associated with really rich countries where it's good to live, and it is good to live there here and now. That's a powerful message.
Because everyone is sure being with the west will allow them to become another, don't know, Netherlands - certainly not another Bosnia or Romania (nothing personal to those two beautiful countries). Or, at very least, won't limit migration opportunities.
 
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AssassinsMace

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Sen. Ben Sasse charges that China greenlit Russia's invasion into Ukraine because Putin apparently transferred troops from the Russian Far East to fight in Ukraine. So China has control of troops Russia historically put there to protect itself from China that Putin would need China's permission to use? And somehow its absurd to associate Japan allying itself with Ukrainian Nazis...? The Putin loving Republicans got egg on their face now so they're trying to spin China is behind it all to cover-up their disloyalty to freedom and democracy. And some don't understand why there are people who are against a US led white supremacist order in this world...
 

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meckhardt98

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Eastern Ukraine is heavily Russian speaking. To further consolidate demographics and reduce insurgency pressure they can allow anyone who wants to leave, to simply leave for western Ukraine. Russia can even offer to their moving costs.

This is completely incomparable to Iraq or Afghanistan. There's no English speaking Anglo demographic in Iraq or Afghanistan and US isn't located in the Middle East. Given that they can essentially get their lives back and get paid for it, and the alternative of fighting means arrest or worse, most Ukrainians who absolutely couldn't stand Russia would just leave.
I don’t think Russia offering to compensate people to relocate; especially if it is perceived as forceful relocation, which it will be since it’s human nature to be stubborn in the face of adversity is going to solve their problems in annexed regions and will instead most likely create a plethora of problems for Russia.

If they simply decided to recognize the LNR and DPR then they’d be in a better position to negotiate and may have been able to hold some sort of illusion of moral supremacy, however they decided for a full offensive against Ukraine instead and dragged both Belarus and Chechnya into the conflict broadening the responsibility onto other nations and have better situated Ukraine as the “victim”.

The Mujahideen and later Taliban were able to throw together a successful insurgency against both the Soviet Union and the United States respectfully despite numerous tribal and cultural differences [although it can be said the Mujahideen were far more successful in cooperation within the tribal community]; which was set up and funded by the CIA.

Russia has simply done to much to make itself out as the bad guy in the eyes of the Ukrainians [even the minority groups in the east] to have them simply leave. Especially when you have radical elements within Ukraine which will use this as a chance to push their ideologies forward onto a demoralized and desperate populace.

However like I said we won’t know for certain until well into the future what the consequences will be.
 

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Given those reports how the Ukrainians border guards are giving preferential treatment to whites getting out of the country, how did China arrange to have trains to evacuate Chinese students? I haven't read any reports of Ukrainians attacking Chinese like they apparently are against Indians for India abstaining at the UN against Russia. The only thing I read was China gave a warning to its citizens in the country not to stand out.

Embassy is working over time to coordinate police protection for Chinese nationals. Some haven’t even gotten time for a bite of food. Unfortunately not even they have been able to cover everybody. A Chinese student was shot in Kviv while reaching for his luggage because some civilian with an automatic rifle thought he was transporting ammo. He is being treated in a hospital.
 

Overbom

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Embassy is working over time to coordinate police protection for Chinese nationals. Some haven’t even gotten time for a bite of food. Unfortunately not even they have been able to cover everybody. A Chinese student was shot in Kviv while reaching for his luggage because some civilian with an automatic rifle thought he was transporting ammo. He is being treated in a hospital.
Do you know how many are waiting to be evacuated. Is it a big number (5+ digits)?
 

meckhardt98

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A lot of Americans and westerners for that matter believe that a racial holy war against China will solve all of their societal problems: the rise in western Incels, the promiscuity of females, erectile dysfunction et al.

Re Ukraine, i reckon there's a 50/50 chance Ukraine could attack Belarus and forcing Lukahsenko's hand.

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This is probably one of the most nonsensical things I’ve read in awhile. I don’t know if you read what the moderators put out but comments like this are getting people banned from the thread.

You probably shouldn’t do that.
 
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