Ukrainian War Developments

meckhardt98 said:

The killing of “Ethnic Russians” isn’t because of an agenda based on their extermination; it simply has to do with the fact that “Ethnic Russians” happen to populate areas in which conflict is openly occurring.

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The starting point of the 2014 events in eastern ukraine was the shooting of the ethnic russians in Donetsk and Luthansk.

Russia didn't care about what the west ukrainans doing until they started ethnical cleanising and using heavy weapons of population centers.

Donbas and luthanks lost best part of its territories. If Ukraine use peaceful measures in 2014/15 then there won't be any russian intervention.

Atomicfrog said:

You don't let them behind in working condition so you blowing tires or tracks making them hard to use. So many vehicule seen only with tires out and some scratch...

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Maybe the tempo and the goals demand it and you can't wait for someone to blow them up. That being said, most of the time they aren't showing the interiors of these vehicles, so we don't know if they were disabled in any way before being abandoned.

On the other hand, most this stuff isn't top-secret tech anyway and Ukraine itself doesn't have the logistics to put these vehicle back in service for their own use outside of BTR's and BMP.

AssassinsMace said:

The thing is it's not just random racism from Ukrainian thugs if China was able to arrange passage out for Chinese because we would have cases of Chinese being attack like there are of Indians if they were committed by racists acting out from personal hatred. It's policy from higher ups to pull non-whites from trains and buses leaving Ukraine to make way for others first. Why give China a pass? I can only think that if the West was going to invest real money into Ukraine, they would've done it long ago but since they haven't Ukraine doesn't want to burn its bridges with China.

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If they're pulling non whites off trains and buses and giving preference to caucasians, it hints at a societal indoctrination consistent with nazism leading credence to Putin's claims of denazification and the destruction of neo-nazi elements like Azov.

I think China punishing Lithuania has more than served its purpose given the performance of Polish and Moldovan governments in safeguarding Chinese nationals.

sheogorath said:

Taking a rough look at the numbers being posted by oryx, one can tell that 50% of the russian vehicle losses are due to logistics and bad employment, with the majority of being abandoned due to different reasons, from lack of fuel, to malfunctions to getting stuck or captured one way or another which offers some nuance to the picture some are trying to paint that every loss is due to TB-2's, Javelins and whathaveyou.

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I'll take all the captured equipment with a grain of salt. Not saying it's fake, but it lacks the context.
Unless the Russians retreated and the Ukrainians recaptured the area in every instance, it's not like the Ukrainians can immediately make use of it.

Anecdotally, I've heard tankers in Western countries mention whenever they do maneuver exercises, a % of vehicles always break down.
Poorly maintained vehicles in a high tempo operation? More likely than people expect.

Anlsvrthng said:

The starting point of the 2014 events in eastern ukraine was the shooting of the ethnic russians in Donetsk and Luthansk.

Russia didn't care about what the west ukrainans doing until they started ethnical cleanising and using heavy weapons of population centers.

Donbas and luthanks lost best part of its territories. If Ukraine use peaceful measures in 2014/15 then there won't be any russian intervention.

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And where is the evidence for these reputed “death squads”? Simply put this can be partially blamed on the Maidan revolution; which was backed by western intelligence services and Russian geopolitical ambitions and not on some imaginary death squads created from a cleverly designed Russian conspiracy.

The claim of “death squads” and indiscriminate shelling is comparable to German claims of Polish backed genocide of “Ethic Germans” prior to their invasion of Poland in 1939 which was used in part to justify their invasion.

Both sides are responsible for shelling which has lead to indiscriminate shelling by both sides in some cases but did not start out as such. These are paper thin justifications made by a country which desperately seeks to remain relevant in a world that’s moved on from seeing Russia as the power that it is; or rather was.

This invasion proves the point that Russia brings little to the table in military deterrence aside from its strategic nuclear force(s) and helps Europe and NATO justify a larger defense budget; which will lead to further escalations in the future.

lube said:

I'll take all the captured equipment with a grain of salt. Not saying it's fake, but it lacks the context.
Unless the Russians retreated and the Ukrainians recaptured the area in every instance, it's not like the Ukrainians can immediately make use of it.

Anecdotally, I've heard tankers in Western countries mention whenever they do maneuver exercises, a % of vehicles always break down.
Poorly maintained vehicles in a high tempo operation? More likely than people expect.

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Tanks and armored vehicles are not meant to be driven over long distances. They are usually transported by rail or plane to the theater of battle.

I'm sensing a decrease in propaganda on social media coming out of Ukraine since last night. Perhaps this:
The strike on Psychological Special Operations center has had an effect?

The Mediterranean has been used as a form of deterrence by both the Russians [Which have moved a particularly large naval force to their bases in Syria; two ships in particular are cruisers which are used in Russian naval doctrine to combat carriers] and the west who have already deployed a considerable NATO strike force in the region.


It’s unsurprising then that the French have jumped on to support the American and Italian carrier force already on station in the Mediterranean.

Both sides desperately want Turkish support, of which Turkey has leaned ever so moderately into western sphere of influence as it pertains to the Ukrainian conflict, more strictly enforcing the Montreux Convention; however it’s possible that ships in the russian battle group may have originally been allocated for operations in Ukraine but were later redeployed to the Mediterranean theatre of operation as a deterrent to NATO forces after NATO moved its strike force into the Mediterranean.

Either way the Mediterranean has become increasingly militarized as it relates directly to the ongoing conflict in Ukraine, and with a build up of naval forces as significant as what we are seeing now, the margin for error increases significantly and so to does the likelihood of “incidences” and “accidents” to occur between NATO and Russian ships.

Temstar said:

I'm sensing a decrease in propaganda on social media coming out of Ukraine since last night. Perhaps this:

The strike on Psychological Special Operations center has had an effect?

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There are some nasty and huge claims that have started.

Some, like the videos from Kherson about the people in the park, are ugly, but, well, I can't say I blame the Russians for, really. I mean, you're making molotov cocktails for crying out loud! Those are not benign bottles of perfume or a cup of tea to convince the Russians to go home! yo my yo.

There's a drone salesman pitch coming from Team TB2. The claim stretches incredulity. The only place they could have done that sort of strike is on the giant column, specially if there were a huge bunch of bunched up fuel tankers.

Then the protests are coming out. Ukrainians telling Russians to go home. They are unarmed and there are nonsensical claims they made the Russians leave. It shows to me the restraint of the Russian troops, imo, more than anything. As I said before, in 2014 in the Donbas, you could tell the 'insurgents' from the Russian Army: the kids from the army always were polite and respectful. The insurgents, not so much. *cough*vast understatement*cough*

Propaganda is incoming. They're just loading their online katyushas.

meckhardt98 said:

This is probably one of the most nonsensical things I’ve read in awhile. I don’t know if you read what the moderators put out but comments like this are getting people banned from the thread.

You probably shouldn’t do that.

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I think we need to consider that, with so many crises occurring simultaneously, some folks are really grasping at straws and losing perspective and rationality. I think folks should only spend two hours, here, at most! After that, it becomes obsessive!

Ok, I’m going to buy another 24 gallons of water for my nuclear bunker, now!