I don't know about annexing the West permanently. That's messy. Could lead to insurgency issues and NATO using that to tie down Russian forces there permanently. I hope they just establish indirect control and get out, otherwise it's just... messy.
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I don't know about annexing the West permanently. That's messy. Could lead to insurgency issues and NATO using that to tie down Russian forces there permanently. I hope they just establish indirect control and get out, otherwise it's just... messy.
Ukrainians seem to talk a lot about how brave they are, but we'll have to see if that's true. Unfortunately insurgencies nowadays are fought with IEDs and suicide attacks, not molotov cocktails.
Afghanistan set the benchmark for successfully fighting off a Russian occupation, all they have to do is copy them. It'll be even easier for them as this time they'll have the support of all of NATO, instead of just America and a few other countries.
So far the resistance I've seen from civilians looks less threatening than a western anti-vax protest.
Ukraine is cannon foddler for nato/eu ... this is the same as vietnam, syria, libya, and the 50+ other attack post ww2
Which crystal ball are you using?
Or do you have some classified intel report we're not aware of?
I asked you to provide hard evidence of your claim, because you made a very strong claim.
You're asking Russia to basically take your word for it, when the entire history since 1991 contradicts it.
Ukraine's civil resistance is really not what they said it would be. But the Russians still have a long way to go in Ukraine and everything can increase dramatically, especially if it is the territories of western Ukraine.
I think what happened is the Western powers were discussing with the current government to give Ukraine NATO membership in the near future. So let be clear once Ukraine is NATO is over for Russia, they can't do jackshit because will trigger a full response from NATO but if they attack now they are really sure that apart from sanctions NATO can do nothing, if Ukraine doesn't capitulate they are going to divide Ukraine in half and what left of Ukraine will be a landlocked nation. The worst part is that after that if Ukraine still want to recover their lost territory at the East it will affect their future NATO membership.
Just as SS Nordland and Charlemagne are remembered today...
Costly for the Russian at what cost to the Ukrainians?! Do you really think that Ukraine is suffering less casualties than Russians? Dude, the war is in Ukrainian territory! Everything damaged is Ukrainian! It's Ukrainian city mowed to the ground, Ukrainian bridges and roads destroyed, Ukrainian buildings blasted to shambles, Ukrainian soldiers and civilians becoming the casualties and victims of war!
The most damage the Russian can EVER sustain, is just a small portion of the forces they poured in! How many forces they have put in Ukraine? No more than 100,000; at most 150,000! And that's it! Even the bogus overblown Ukrainian claims put Russian Casualty at less than 8000, right now. And look how much damage and casualty Ukrainian people, cities and military is already sustaining!
If the war persists, it will be Ukrainian cities destroyed, Ukrainian civilians becoming the victims of war, Ukrainian civilians and soldier dying for their country en masse.
How do you have the audacity to show your glee?!
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and I think some of the land taken will be used as negotiating points to get ride of the stricter sanctions
because Russia cannot live with the sanctions for a very long time their economy is getting hammered and would want some of them to be lifted
the only other thing is the mutual trust and friendship over last 8 decades with Germany is lost and also they have lost trust with Scandinavia nations who all contributed to Ukraine with ATGM including Finland
the fall out will be massive but just shows how far Putin was willing to go to keep Ukraine
honestly Ukraine should have just let go too many are dying and the destruction is too much
no one knew how much Putin wanted Ukraine if they did they could just have it for heavens sake
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