Ukrainian War Developments

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emblem21

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A while back last year didn't you openly predict that Ukraine war would happen within a year? Looks like could be in February...
Seems like the goal is to neuter Russia so they can do the "Final Solution" to China...

The US realizes its NOW or NEVER.... this is the moment.... this is IT.
The one big problem is that with all the issues that these nations are suffering right now and how incompetent these leaders are, it will only take one stuff up to sink the western world for good. I don’t believe that the USA is going to succeed this time around because while they seem to sound like as those they know what they are doing, deep down they are panicking because nothing is working out like they normally want. At this point, it is the UK and the USA that is pushing their troops and weapons around in vast numbers and it isn’t going into Ukraine but the nations that border it. The will try to frame Russia as the aggressor but if the USA stuffs up and show that it is they that started this fight with a false flag gone wrong. , this will have the potential to unite the entire Eurasian block in a righteous movement to kick the USA out of the entire continent.
 

Overbom

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A while back last year didn't you openly predict that Ukraine war would happen within a year? Looks like could be in February...

The one big problem is that with all the issues that these nations are suffering right now and how incompetent these leaders are, it will only take one stuff up to sink the western world for good. I don’t believe that the USA is going to succeed this time around because while they seem to sound like as those they know what they are doing, deep down they are panicking because nothing is working out like they normally want. At this point, it is the UK and the USA that is pushing their troops and weapons around in vast numbers and it isn’t going into Ukraine but the nations that border it. The will try to frame Russia as the aggressor but if the USA stuffs up and show that it is they that started this fight with a false flag gone wrong. , this will have the potential to unite the entire Eurasian block in a righteous movement to kick the USA out of the entire continent.
Ukraine is merely a disposable pawn. It would be a net positive for the US if it sacrificed Ukraine in order to impose economically crippling sanctions to Russia

As for a united Eurasian block that's not happening any time soon (if ever). There are too many differences between them. The past decade has been some small movement but it's only baby steps at this point
 

FriedButter

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Ukraine is merely a disposable pawn. It would be a net positive for the US if it sacrificed Ukraine in order to impose economically crippling sanctions to Russia

As for a united Eurasian block that's not happening any time soon (if ever). There are too many differences between them. The past decade has been some small movement but it's only baby steps at this point
Eurasian Block? Are you talking about Western + Eastern Europe or do you mean Europe + Asia?
 

Overbom

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Eurasian Block? Are you talking about Western + Eastern Europe or do you mean Europe + Asia?
Not me. The initial post I responded talked about a potential Eurasian block.

I took that to mean continental Asian countries (not Europe). BRI has managed to slightly move all these countries together but thats an extremely slow process.
If Europe is included (Europe + Asia) then that would take even more time or even be impossible to happen.

All in all, the talk about a potential united Eurasian block has a long way to go. The 2020-2030 period is going to be crucial for continental Asia
 

emblem21

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Ukraine is merely a disposable pawn. It would be a net positive for the US if it sacrificed Ukraine in order to impose economically crippling sanctions to Russia

As for a united Eurasian block that's not happening any time soon (if ever). There are too many differences between them. The past decade has been some small movement but it's only baby steps at this point
These economically sanctions will damage the west much more then Russia because now Russia has options whereas Europe will lose a significant amount of gas supplies if they choose to tow the line of the USA that anyone but their leaders can see is pushing for a fight. These so called sanctions will also be blunted by China and the fact that the gas from Russia can be bought by Asia instead or Europe, not to mention that Russia can simply cut off the gas to the USA (of which the USA buys a vast amount from Russia) which is going to cause some real inflation to the USA which the USA as it is right now cannot afford to do. The USA only knows war which is why they think by pushing this Russia invasion line will be the end all be all in regards to taking everything back on schedule so that they can cow Russia into submission so they can deal with China with full force. It won’t work because of the simple reason that sanctions do not work for the simple reason that Russia has long prepared for such a move with their Allies. The USA cannot afford a sanction fight because any move will eventually provoke a reaction to the economy already suffering from supply shortages and increases in inflation that are permanent and provoking this war could end up being the breaking point for the us economy.
The only one to suffer in the future is Ukraine and eventually Europe with regards to energy supplies and then the USA in which inflation resulting from the situation in Ukraine will damage the us economy beyond recovery. The idea that the USA is going to somehow use economic sanctions to push Russia around is folly.
In regards to a Eurasian block, I was referring more the Russia and its central Asian neighbours along with other east Asia nations but I could say depending on how badly that the UK and USA will eventually mess up, it could encompass the rest of Europe as well. Maybe not now, but in the future depending on how erratic the USA acts, well the potential is there
 

anzha

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Alright folks. I've seen the forum argue back and forth. Now I want to see what you all think.

What do you think is going to happen in Ukraine in the next week? Will there be an invasion this week? Is it all nonsense and the Russian exercises will simply continue?

Bonus points if you layout how what you think could be wrong and how to prove that.

In a succinct fashion, place what you think is going to happen. If possible, let folks put their opinion in the thread before responding. Do feel free to continue other threads. I would like to be able to collect everyone's opinions without it turning into a hunt for needle situation.
 

emblem21

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I still don’t think anything is going to happen next week.
I don’t think. Fight will happen and if it did happen, it would be USA pulling a false flag and ultimately gets traced back to them no matter what they do to hide it. Russia is not going to throw the first punch because really, they have said so as such so many time already and those soldier are within Russia own borders
 

james smith esq

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Alright folks. I've seen the forum argue back and forth. Now I want to see what you all think.

What do you think is going to happen in Ukraine in the next week? Will there be an invasion this week? Is it all nonsense and the Russian exercises will simply continue?

Bonus points if you layout how what you think could be wrong and how to prove that.

In a succinct fashion, place what you think is going to happen. If possible, let folks put their opinion in the thread before responding. Do feel free to continue other threads. I would like to be able to collect everyone's opinions without it turning into a hunt for needle situation.
What is this, a science experiment?

I have no idea what will happen regarding the Russia/NATO non-negotiations over Ukraine next week.
However, as I stated way back in the early days of this thread, the “west” ain’t givin’ Putin, nuthin’! They’ve called his bluff and it’s his move!

However, I will add this: I've stockpiled about six months worth of non-perishable foods and a three months supply of spring water, just in case things go waaaaaay south AND sideways.
 
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Bellum_Romanum

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A more sober analysis of this Russia-Ukraine supposed invasion thing from the National Interest.

I found this passage on the article particularly interesting:


Why War is Off the Table, for Now

The most striking implication of Zelensky’s comments is that the war scare was made in the United States. To understand why Zelensky doesn’t think a war is imminent, we must go back to April when the first great scare of a Russian invasion occurred. The preceding year, Azerbaijan had demonstrated in its conflict with Armenia that Turkish and Israeli drones could smash entrenched positions and rout the defenders. The Atlantic Council, the eyrie of Washington’s Ukraine hawks, immediately noted the relevance of this demonstrated new capability to the frozen conflict in the Donbas.

The new team at the White House, closely following a script announced by the Atlantic Council, declared that Crimea and the Donbas must be put back on the table. That meant, explained a Biden official, a “very extensive and almost constant focus on Ukraine from day one.” In the view of Democrats, Donald Trump had been a shameless appeaser of Putin; indeed, he was Putin’s puppet. This narrative, to be sure, was dubious in the extreme, as Trump the ostensible appeaser surrounded himself with advisors—H.R. McMaster, Mike Pompeo, Nikki Haley, James Mattis, and John Bolton—who regularly blasted Russia in scalding tones. But though the narrative may have been wrong, it was theirs. The Democrats believed it. Where Biden and Secretary of State Antony Blinken largely followed Trump’s line on China, they broke sharply with him over Ukraine.

The Ukrainian government hailed the new administration and set forth a platform for the return of Donbas and Crimea. Then on April 3, 2021, Ukraine’s military announced on Facebook that military exercises would be conducted with five NATO powers in Ukraine’s eastern regions later in the year. “In particular,” it said, “defensive actions will be worked out, followed by an offensive in order to restore the state border and territorial integrity of a state that has been subjected to aggression by one of the hostile neighboring countries.”

Russia’s callup of reserves—which both now and in April was interpreted by U.S. intelligence as reflecting plans for a gigantic invasion—was in direct response to these three important developments: a startling new demonstration of the effectiveness of drone-led offensive operations, a new U.S. posture toward Ukraine-related issues that was far more aggressive than Trump’s, and the declaration by Ukraine’s military that they were working on a plan to drive the Russians out of the occupied territories. When Biden said in December that the United States would not commit forces to Ukraine in the event of a war, it took the legs out from under this plan.

The United States now vehemently denies that there was any idea of retaking the Donbas by force and that this is an invention of Russian propagandists. From the outside, it is impossible to know how far these plans advanced and how seriously they were taken, but to say that the Russians had no basis for thinking that something was afoot is clearly absurd. What is the explanation for the April 3 Facebook post by Ukraine’s military? Were they the unfortunate victims, like Joy Reid, of a malicious hack? If the Azerbaijani war had no military significance for the Donbas, why did the Atlantic Council argue that it did?

It is obvious that Ukraine’s military has sought an Azerbaijani-like capability in the past year, and little doubt that the United States has facilitated the acquisition of one. But it is equally obvious that no such plan can be put in motion if the U.S. attitude is what Biden and Blinken said it was in December. The Ukrainians were optimistic about getting such a pledge from the Americans during the previous year—that is, getting an American backstop if they sought to regain their lost territories by force, replaying the Georgia option of 2008 but this time with American guarantees. Their hopes are now deflated. Hence Zelensky’s taunt: just tell straight out that that we cannot join NATO, that is, that you intend to leave us in the lurch with regard to our lost territories."



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